Jeremy Bamber: the Prelude, the Tragedy and the Aftermath

[sami]

if it wasnt such a hidious crime ,i would be congratulating jb and telling him to turn it into a book and boardgame,this puzzle he has set.i think it was a family member that summed this case up.'NO ONE WINS'

[lookout]

How terrible Jane, though it doesn't surprise me. We had a caretaker in the 1970s who claimed he could pick out in primary school those who would end up in jail.

I remember as a kid at school I always made a bee-line for the " waifs and strays " to make friends with because even at a young age I'd twigged that they were the ones who were always cast aside. I seemed to collect them,poor things. I was old enough to know it was cruel and mean to have been treated as they were just because they were " scruffy ",aww.

[Steve_uk]

I remember as a kid at school I always made a bee-line for the " waifs and strays " to make friends with because even at a young age I'd twigged that they were the ones who were always cast aside. I seemed to collect them,poor things. I was old enough to know it was cruel and mean to have been treated as they were just because they were " scruffy ",aww.

That was kind of you lookout. I can't help but recall in one of the books the taunting of Jeremy on the school bus, then assuming he came home to an absent June and Nevill in the fields, then at eight years old packed off to Gresham's. Not an excuse, but cause for detachment and alienation.

[sami]

That was kind of you lookout. I can't help but recall in one of the books the taunting of Jeremy on the school bus, then assuming he came home to an absent June and Nevill in the fields, then at eight years old packed off to Gresham's. Not an excuse, but cause for detachment and alienation.

interesting steve,i also think it may have played a part in jb's final act

[lookout]

It looked as though Neville at one time had to hold the fort for a time during one of June's " turns " when she'd stayed at Pam's for weeks,recuperating,so the family had parted company during times like that too,and as kids you'd be puzzled as to why mum was away for so long. Neville was none too happy with that either.

[Steve_uk]

It looked as though Neville at one time had to hold the fort for a time during one of June's " turns " when she'd stayed at Pam's for weeks,recuperating,so the family had parted company during times like that too,and as kids you'd be puzzled as to why mum was away for so long. Neville was none too happy with that either.

I also found it strange in CAL's book we are told that she couldn't cope with Nevill's mother coming down of an evening partaking of a sweet sherry. I mean it's not as if she were holding a wild party. Maybe June was too ill to realize that charity begins at home.

[Jane]

I also found it strange in CAL's book we are told that she couldn't cope with Nevill's mother coming down of an evening partaking of a sweet sherry. I mean it's not as if she were holding a wild party. Maybe June was too ill to realize that charity begins at home.

Steve, it would be easier to assess the situation, re June and her ma in law, if we knew the whole story. I can give you a whole raft of possibilities before touching on the suggestion that June, known to be the most charitable of women, would have begrudged anyone a glass of sweet sherry.

[lookout]

I also found it strange in CAL's book we are told that she couldn't cope with Nevill's mother coming down of an evening partaking of a sweet sherry. I mean it's not as if she were holding a wild party. Maybe June was too ill to realize that charity begins at home.

There's more to June's illness than is known !

[sami]

the brain is a complex bit of kit,when it starts misfunctioning  the results are terrible

[Caroline]

There's more to June's illness than is known !

If it isn't known, then how does anyone know there is more to it?

[lookout]

If it isn't known, then how does anyone know there is more to it?

Because I have a feeling about it. Two lots of ECT for severe depression and her " unnatural " outburst when she'd caught Sheila in the field as Claire Powell had described her as being on the verge of hysteria.Her overall inability to deal with anything that was part of life. You can't be like that when you've got children or they end up the same-------------well Sheila did.
Staying for weeks on end with her sister after a bout of depression and leaving Neville to it. Then latterly when we'd learned that she'd been seeing her GP regularly up until the murders. Do we know why ?  NO. Do we know about her medication ? NO.  Have we ever heard about all the medication that was removed from WHF ? NO.
Because they were private people and kept to themselves,these are answers nobody would know except her GP and whatever was contained in her medical records.

[Jane]

Because I have a feeling about it. Two lots of ECT for severe depression and her " unnatural " outburst when she'd caught Sheila in the field as Claire Powell had described her as being on the verge of hysteria.Her overall inability to deal with anything that was part of life. You can't be like that when you've got children or they end up the same-------------well Sheila did.
Staying for weeks on end with her sister after a bout of depression and leaving Neville to it. Then latterly when we'd learned that she'd been seeing her GP regularly up until the murders. Do we know why ?  NO. Do we know about her medication ? NO.  Have we ever heard about all the medication that was removed from WHF ? NO.
Because they were private people and kept to themselves,these are answers nobody would know except her GP and whatever was contained in her medical records.

I feel the need to look at this a little more closely. Firstly, how the hell does CP know about her "unnatural" outburst? and "unnatural" to whom? How does CP know that she was on the verge of hysteria?

Where would you have suggested that she stayed if not with her sister? As you say, we know nothing of her medication or how frequently she was seeing her docter so you're just guessing.

[lookout]

I feel the need to look at this a little more closely. Firstly, how the hell does CP know about her "unnatural" outburst? and "unnatural" to whom? How does CP know that she was on the verge of hysteria?

Where would you have suggested that she stayed if not with her sister? As you say, we know nothing of her medication or how frequently she was seeing her docter so you're just guessing.

CP had said that June was screaming. Why would you scream ?

[Jane]

CP had said that June was screaming. Why would you scream ?

How would she know that? "Scream" in any case can mean different things to different people depending on how they view verbal violence.

[lookout]

How would she know that? "Scream" in any case can mean different things to different people depending on how they view verbal violence.

I'm not sure if even Colin described " that moment " as such--------in his book. One thing I do know and that was that he hadn't got a good word to say about her. Says it all really.