Jeremy Bamber: the Prelude, the Tragedy and the Aftermath

[Caroline]

We'll see shall we ??

Why would this call be kept secret Lookout? Had their been such a call, Taff Jones would have used it to fend off the relatives. it was PROOF that Jeremy was innocent, the kind of evidence that couldn't be refuted. Had it been the case, the relatives would have had no log to stand on and would have had to slip into the back ground. So WHY would EP keep such a call secret?

[lookout]

Why would this call be kept secret Lookout? Had their been such a call, Taff Jones would have used it to fend off the relatives. it was PROOF that Jeremy was innocent, the kind of evidence that couldn't be refuted. Had it been the case, the relatives would have had no log to stand on and would have had to slip into the back ground. So WHY would EP keep such a call secret?

You'd better ask EP that question. Why did EP do lots of things to hamper the defence ? Like hiding documents,photo's and audio-tapes for the past 30 years.

[Caroline]

You'd better ask EP that question. Why did EP do lots of things to hamper the defence ? Like hiding documents,photo's and audio-tapes for the past 30 years.

You're passing the buck, you can't answer because there is no logical reason why such a call would be kept quiet in the early stage of the investigation. NONE!

[Caroline]

Maggie I dont know anything about adoption.  I would have thought if you grow up in loving family home it is ok?  What about children who are abused by thier natural family? 

If a baby is adopted and grows up in loving family as Sheila and Jeremy did with Nevill and June how can this compare with children who are abused by their natural parents?

Loads of cases this year where babies or small children have died at the hands of their natural parents. 

I dont agree with you Maggie.

Quote from Jeremy "I'm sure my life would have been very different if I hadn't been adopted"

[maggie]

Quote from Jeremy "I'm sure my life would have been very different if I hadn't been adopted"

Even in the happiest adoption situations for some if not all people it must be very hard to be torn between not knowing where you come from, being frightened to learn the reality of where you come from and on discovery hating where you come from, or the opposite of that or something in between. 

How do adopted children really cope with the reality of trying to forgive a mother who,no matter how hard they try to understand the reasons and excuse her, in their minds  she rejected them?  If that is coupled with feeling rejected in their adoptive home it is a very tough situation for them. imo

[lookout]

Even in the happiest adoption situations for some if not all people it must be very hard to be torn between not knowing where you come from, being frightened to learn the reality of where you come from and on discovery hating where you come from, or the opposite of that or something in between. 

How do adopted children really cope with the reality of trying to forgive a mother who rejected them?  If that is coupled with feeling rejected in their adoptive home it is a very tough situation for them. imo

Maggie a lot would depend on the upbringing of the adopted child as to whether he/she was " adjusted " to the facts about their bio-parents and the circumstances which brought about the adoption,always assuming that they'd been told.
With truth and understanding told to the child,the " burden " becomes lighter in later years,then the option of meeting up,or not is then reserved for the child's/adult's benefit in future years. Some don't have the desire to meet their bio parents,or do so out of curiosity.

[Jane]

Maggie a lot would depend on the upbringing of the adopted child as to whether he/she was " adjusted " to the facts about their bio-parents and the circumstances which brought about the adoption,always assuming that they'd been told.
With truth and understanding told to the child,the " burden " becomes lighter in later years,then the option of meeting up,or not is then reserved for the child's/adult's benefit in future years. Some don't have the desire to meet their bio parents,or do so out of curiosity.

I can't tell you how much my hackles rise when people, who have no experience of how it feels to be in a situation, pontificate to those who have, on how best to manage it.

[lookout]

I can't tell you how much my hackles rise when people, who have no experience of how it feels to be in a situation, pontificate to those who have, on how best to manage it.

Don't be so touchy. I wasn't " pontificating " at all,it's your misinterpretations as usual. I WASN'T telling anyone anything,I was just suggesting,but hey-ho if you want to take everything as read then that's entirely up to you,but you border on the neurotic,to me.

[Jane]

Don't be so touchy. I wasn't " pontificating " at all,it's your misinterpretations as usual. I WASN'T telling anyone anything,I was just suggesting,but hey-ho if you want to take everything as read then that's entirely up to you,but you border on the neurotic,to me.

The saying goes that one needs to stand/walk in another's shoes to understand what it feels like to be them before passing judgement. There is no shame in not having the ability to do this, but there is arrogance in assuming one can.

[Jane]

Try focussing on the many child refugees who've been orphaned after whose parents drowned making their escape--------------I do ! I rarely think of myself nor let the past take over. I'm a realist who focusses on the here and now,not how badly done to I was.
It's not all about YOU you know !

It's much easier for you, I'll bet, to show SYMPATHY -from a distance- for "child refugees who've been orphaned" than to show EMPATHY to someone close to home. "I" don't exist in such a situation. You are all about "I". Were this not so, you wouldn't take everything so personally.

[Caroline]

Try focussing on the many child refugees who've been orphaned after whose parents drowned making their escape--------------I do ! I rarely think of myself nor let the past take over. I'm a realist who focusses on the here and now,not how badly done to I was.
It's not all about YOU you know !

And yet your whole post is about YOU!

[lookout]

It's much easier for you, I'll bet, to show SYMPATHY -from a distance- for "child refugees who've been orphaned" than to show EMPATHY to someone close to home. "I" don't exist in such a situation. You are all about "I". Were this not so, you wouldn't take everything so personally.

What ? ME take everything personally ? Surely that pertains to yourself at the very mention of adoption ? What I do take personally are your incessant accusations of me being without " empathy "

[Jane]

What ? ME take everything personally ? Surely that pertains to yourself at the very mention of adoption ? What I do take personally are your incessant accusations of me being without " empathy "

If you had any, you wouldn't be ranting about me "going on about adoption". You'd understand why.

[JackiePreece]

What ? ME take everything personally ? Surely that pertains to yourself at the very mention of adoption ? What I do take personally are your incessant accusations of me being without " empathy "

Lookout you're the most empathetic person I've ever met in my whole life.  You given up much of your retirement over the last few years to support Jeremy the best way you know how to.  xxx

[JackiePreece]

Quote from Jeremy "I'm sure my life would have been very different if I hadn't been adopted"

That was in response to the following in 2004.  At this time he had spent about 19 years in prison.  Of course he was being filosofical about his situation who wouldn't. 

I said when I talked to him on the phone he told me he had a very happy life before prison.

http://www.thefreelibrary.com/He+went+to+lovely+people+who+gave+him+the+best+start+in+life.+He...-a0112751004

Why didn't you ask to go on his phone list?  Never to late and you could ask him about the wallet and trailer.

Talking of trailers I think I might wash my horse box out as its a nice day