Jeremy Bamber: the Prelude, the Tragedy and the Aftermath

[lookout]

People do seem to get stuck in a rut, and a victim of their own success or failure as the case may be.

I do agree,and the older you get the worse it gets, if you allow it to,that is. Though age shouldn't be the barrier to whatever you have in mind to lift you out of the chasm.

[sami]

was jb;s old room at whf locked when police entered that morning.anyone,please

[guest2181]

was jb;s old room at whf locked when police entered that morning.anyone,please

I think that is true, but would need to check to be 100%.

It is, from memory, described in one of the raid teams statements.

[sami]

I think that is true, but would need to check to be 100%.

It is, from memory, described in one of the raid teams statements.

yes i thought i read it in the raid teams statement but cant remember.it would be odd if it was lock as i suspect it was.

[guest2181]

yes i thought i read it in the raid teams statement but cant remember.it would be odd if it was lock as i suspect it was.

I also recall reading that he still had a bed there , made up and he used to stay on occasion.

Again I'd need to double check for the source of that information.

Why do you ask?

[sami]

I also recall reading that he still had a bed there , made up and he used to stay on occasion.

Again I'd need to double check for the source of that information.

Why do you ask?

its just an opinion i share with caroline whoe's theory it was that jb stayed at whf night of the murders.drove home at 10pm and returned straight away on the bike and stayed the night

[JackiePreece]

Can you state what those reasons are? We know the police were responsible for staging Sheila's body in the right photograph. You can see that the police moved the body by about six inches. The bible has also been moved.

Who's to say that both photographs don't show Sheila's body as it was staged by the police?

Given they were messing around like that, accidentally shooting Sheila when she was already dead is a realistic possibility.

Harry if I agree with you I have to ignore Dr Vanezis' pathological evidence and the evidence of police surgeon Dr Craig.

Dr Vanezis said the two gunshot wounds to Sheila were fired within seconds.

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=156.0;attach=168

Dr Craig said all victims, including Sheila, could have died at anytime during the previous night.  (Point 38 from 2002 appeal).

I hope you will not be disappointed to learn  that unless experts provide new testimony I am happy to rely on the evidence of the two doctors. 

[Steve_uk]

Harry if I agree with you I have to ignore Dr Vanezis' pathological evidence and the evidence of police surgeon Dr Craig.

Dr Vanezis said the two gunshot wounds to Sheila were fired within seconds.

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=156.0;attach=168

Dr Craig said all victims, including Sheila, could have died at anytime during the previous night.  (Point 38 from 2002 appeal).

I hope you will not be disappointed to learn  that unless experts provide new testimony I am happy to rely on the evidence of the two doctors.

But he goes on to say that the wounds may or may not have been inflicted by her own hands. Did Jeremy regard Craig as a soft touch, claiming to him that she had been abusing her children(Point 39)? http://www.homepage-link.to/justice/judgements/Bamber/index.html 

[JackiePreece]

But he goes on to say that the wounds may or may not have been inflicted by her own hands. Did Jeremy regard Craig as a soft touch, claiming to him that she had been abusing her children(Point 39)? http://www.homepage-link.to/justice/judgements/Bamber/index.html

I don't see the relevance of your post to mine or the post I was responding to?

There's no evidence Sheila shot herself much latter than the other victims  or the police shot Sheila.

Is it that difficult for people to take on board a couple of simple facts?  The facts are that Dr Craig said all victims died the previous night.  And  Dr Vanezis said Sheila's two wounds happened within a few seconds of each other.  This expert testimony rules out theories like Sheila seen in the kitchen and the police shooting Sheila.  If someone like me can take it on board surely it can't be that difficult   

[Steve_uk]

I don't see the relevance of your post to mine or the post I was responding to?

There's no evidence Sheila shot herself much latter than the other victims  or the police shot Sheila.

Is it that difficult for people to take on board a couple of simple facts?  The facts are that Dr Craig said all victims died the previous night.  And  Dr Vanezis said Sheila's two wounds happened within a few seconds of each other.  This expert testimony rules out theories like Sheila seen in the kitchen and the police shooting Sheila.  If someone like me can take it on board surely it can't be that difficult 

Yes sorry I put the wrong bit in bold.

[JackiePreece]

But he goes on to say that the wounds may or may not have been inflicted by her own hands. Did Jeremy regard Craig as a soft touch, claiming to him that she had been abusing her children(Point 39)? http://www.homepage-link.to/justice/judgements/Bamber/index.html

Dr Craig said he thought Sheila had taken her own life but when answering a question put to him by the judge he made it clear it was not an opinion the jury should rely on.

Is there any evidence Dr Craig was a "soft touch".  He had 30 years experience as police surgeon.

Read Colin's letter intended for Nevill and draw your own conclusions about Sheila's ability to care for the twins.  What was the definition of "abusing"?  Physical, mental, emotional, neglect?

[Jane]

Dr Craig said he thought SC had taken her own life but when answering a question put to him by the judge he made it clear it was not an opinion the jury should rely on.

Is there any evidence Dr Craig was a "soft touch".  He had 30 years experience as police surgeon.

Read Colin's letter intended for Nevill and draw your own conclusions about Sheila's ability to care for the twins.  What was the definition of "abusing"?  Physical, mental, emotional, neglect?

It's possible that her illness caused her to be neglectful and if she'd suffered any sort of abuse she'd have been likely to have passed it on as it would have been her frame of reference.

[JackiePreece]

Yes sorry I put the wrong bit in bold.

You really must try and concentrate.  C-
 
 

[David1819]

But he goes on to say that the wounds may or may not have been inflicted by her own hands. Did Jeremy regard Craig as a soft touch, claiming to him that she had been abusing her children(Point 39)? http://www.homepage-link.to/justice/judgements/Bamber/index.html

Dr Craig did also say it would be extraordinary for someone to have murdered her

[Jane]

Dr Craig did also say it would be extraordinary for someone to have murdered her

And how do you interpret "extraordinary"?