Jeremy Bamber: the Prelude, the Tragedy and the Aftermath

[sami]

Erm,what's good about finding something that's been in the public domain for nearly 2 years,that the BLINKERED ones WON'T bother to look for because of the stance they've taken ? The only way that it's come to light is EVERYONE'S belief that I'd been " making things up " and in turn, chose to take pops at me instead of bothering to find out for themselves.
However,bravo to Mat for having the common sense to seek to verify it instead of Caroline's repeated " uncorroborated  evidence " .
I realise that when there is only half a brain working ( guilty ) that your focus is only one-sided too !!

we are all here to learn and give opinions

[sami]

Regardless if true or not it does not exonerate Jeremy or incriminate him, Its the theory that EP accidently set off the rife while removing it from her body inflicting a second shot on her already dead body and that's its just another blunder they don't want us to know about.

With the track record of police incompetence in this case it would not surprise me if it was true, but I am 99.9% certain its not true for several seasons

who the heck is poppy some sort of clairvouint.why believe her

[sami]

Can you state what those reasons are? We know the police were responsible for staging Sheila's body in the right photograph. You can see that the police moved the body by about six inches. The bible has also been moved.

Who's to say that both photographs don't show Sheila's body as it was staged by the police?

Given they were messing around like that, accidentally shooting Sheila when she was already dead is a realistic possibility.

hi harry nice to have you views on the forum.welcome

[sami]

hi harry nice to have you on the forum.welcome

[Caroline]

After your post to me on 'common sense' and 'half a brain' I'd think twice before playing the victim. All you had to do was state where you read about the divorce but your knew it wasn't a good enough source - even when Hartley asked you out right if that was the source. If you don't check out your information or post the reference, then don't blame other people for YOUR lack of thoroughness!!

[lookout]

Can you state what those reasons are. We know the police were responsible for staging Sheila's body in the right photograph. You can see that the police moved the body by about six inches.

Who's to say that both photographs don't show Sheila's body as it was staged by the police?

Given they were messing around like that, accidentally shooting Sheila when she was already dead is a realistic possibility.

According to the description given in the Telegraph,Sheila's hand had been " curled " around the barrel ?
When one has been dead for several hours,the extremities ( fingers and toes ) are the first to go into RM,along with the neck/chin/eyelids and discolouration begins in minutes.
 If Sheila had been dead for some time,it would have been difficult to have unfurled her fingers from around the rifle,that they'd have been left in a " claw-like " position.
This isn't evident on the pics which means that she hadn't been dead above 2/3 hours for those involved to have left her in the position that we see. I bet she was even still warm if they'd have tested her belly.

[Caroline]

Can you state what those reasons are? We know the police were responsible for staging Sheila's body in the right photograph. You can see that the police moved the body by about six inches. The bible has also been moved.

Who's to say that both photographs don't show Sheila's body as it was staged by the police?

Given they were messing around like that, accidentally shooting Sheila when she was already dead is a realistic possibility.

The pictures are simply from a different angle! Why would the police move her body or the bible six inches?

[sami]

According to the description given in the Telegraph,Sheila's hand had been " curled " around the barrel ?
When one has been dead for several hours,the extremities ( fingers and toes ) are the first to go into RM,along with the neck/chin/eyelids and discolouration begins in minutes.
 If Sheila had been dead for some time,it would have been difficult to have unfurled her fingers from around the rifle,that they'd have been left in a " claw-like " position.
This isn't evident on the pics which means that she hadn't been dead above 2/3 hours for those involved to have left her in the position that we see. I bet she was even still warm if they'd have tested her belly.

which hand .as we look at the photo

[lookout]

After your post to me on 'common sense' and 'half a brain' I'd think twice before playing the victim. All you had to do was state where you read about the divorce but your knew it wasn't a good enough source - even when Hartley asked you out right if that was the source. If you don't check out your information or post the reference, then don't blame other people for YOUR lack of thoroughness!!

My reason for not having stated where the info came from is because if I had have done,I'd have had ALL SIX of you down on me like a ton of bricks as per usual if I happen to come across anything " new " !! As it happened,you lot still enjoyed your spite-filled remarks,so I can't bloody well win whatever I post.
I see you've TWISTED your posts to make ME look the " victim ". I DON'T DO " victims " so therefore don't look upon myself as one, which is a ridiculous notion on your part.

[Caroline]

My reason for not having stated where the info came from is because if I had have done,I'd have had ALL SIX of you down on me like a ton of bricks as per usual if I happen to come across anything " new " !! As it happened,you lot still enjoyed your spite-filled remarks,so I can't bloody well win whatever I post.
I see you've TWISTED your posts to make ME look the " victim ". I DON'T DO " victims " so therefore don't look upon myself as one, which is a ridiculous notion on your part.

And I don't 'do' looking for other people's references that they can't be bothered to post or which are kown to be unreliable but post anyway.

[guest2181]

My reason for not having stated where the info came from is because if I had have done,I'd have had ALL SIX of you down on me like a ton of bricks as per usual if I happen to come across anything " new " !! As it happened,you lot still enjoyed your spite-filled remarks,so I can't bloody well win whatever I post.
I see you've TWISTED your posts to make ME look the " victim ". I DON'T DO " victims " so therefore don't look upon myself as one, which is a ridiculous notion on your part.

I think if you simply said something along the lines of:

Hi guys, I've just read about this on Poppy's blog, does anybody know if there is any truth behind it?


Rather than making out that you were in possession of some sort of privileged secret information. That is how it came across, whether intentional or not. 

[lookout]

And I don't 'do' looking for other people's references that they can't be bothered to post or which are kown to be unreliable but post anyway.

Does that also include me passing remarks to your unreliable posts as well ? Because if you continue calling my posts rubbish, etc, then I will certainly reciprocate !! One liners like sami does as he seems to be better thought of  Unless that's just because he votes guilty of course !

[sami]

Does that also include me passing remarks to your unreliable posts as well ? Because if you continue calling my posts rubbish, etc, then I will certainly reciprocate !! One liners like sami does as he seems to be better thought of  Unless that's just because he votes guilty of course !

dont kid yourself you give as good as you get ,including insults.and sometimes for nothing

[Caroline]

Does that also include me passing remarks to your unreliable posts as well ? Because if you continue calling my posts rubbish, etc, then I will certainly reciprocate !! One liners like sami does as he seems to be better thought of  Unless that's just because he votes guilty of course !

Feel free - I post my sources and provide links and make it clear when they are simply my thoughts. I didn't say your posts were rubbish but you state things are facts when they are not.

[lookout]

I think if you simply said something along the lines of:

Hi guys, I've just read about this on Poppy's blog, does anybody know if there is any truth behind it?


Rather than making out that you were in possession of some sort of privileged secret information. That is how it came across, whether intentional or not. 

Hartley it wouldn't have made a scrap of difference how I'd worded it or even what I presently post because I get nothing but hostility in return,so what's the use ?
If this were a forum of people willing to accept an opposing view,then my posts would be in accordance with their opposition,but until then,I'll post as I'm posted to in this ridiculous tit for tat fashion.