Jeremy Bamber: the Prelude, the Tragedy and the Aftermath

[Caroline R]

I'm just thankful Sheila never realized the fate which befell her boys;it's the only thing I can take comfort from in the whole affair,and that Jeremy did not succeed in pulling the wool over people's eyes.

He didn't need to, Julie got there first!! 

[mertol22]

post 572 is interesting a thought jeremy is innocent, steve likes the statements from jm because it shows him not favourable,currently at A1M services just had a kfc, a bed and b i was in last night had 4 guns in the hallway with the firing pins out i was informed, all hunting rifles, got me thinking steve anyone could have used those guns that night, i read and have heard colin forgiving jeremy steve though never forgetting i think he has chosen life .

[Steve_uk]

post 572 is interesting a thought jeremy is innocent, steve likes the statements from jm because it shows him not favourable,currently at A1M services just had a kfc, a bed and b i was in last night had 4 guns in the hallway with the firing pins out i was informed, all hunting rifles, got me thinking steve anyone could have used those guns that night, i read and have heard colin forgiving jeremy steve though never forgetting i think he has chosen life .

I think this is why we need to re-examine the crime scene as Patti had the sense to realize. I still don't know about the number of weapons at the Farm that day,whether there was a 12 bore shotgun under Nevill's bed with Sheila's fingerprints,whether the lights were on or off(was Sheila holding a candle which might have explained the trick of the light)..so many documents not released which should have been by now and which makes discussion difficult and can lead to personality clashes on issues not worth clashing on.

It seems Colin has forgiven Jeremy and maybe that's a good thing if it helps him come to terms with his loss. I wonder sometimes if Colin has ever read any posts on this site and what his opinion is of it. I would stop posting tomorrow if Colin for whatever reason requested it.

[Lugg]

Because her statement is corroborated indirectly by so many other witnesses. I can't understand the Defence's position faced with such testimony: either Jeremy is guilty as is my position or he is innocent but a complete nasty piece of work who himself had nothing nice to say about anybody until he got banged up.

Just who are these witnesses who can corroberate her statement Steve?

[Steve_uk]

Just who are these witnesses who can corroberate her statement Steve?

Well we know Jeremy told James Richards he hated his parents. Jeremy told Liz Rimington that the twins were spoilt and Sheila couldn't see any wrong in them. He also told her it's important to have money whilst you're young,giving him a motive for killing his parents who were old and didn't know how to enjoy money. He told Doris Foakes he wasn't sharing any of his money with Sheila. He speculated to Charles Marsden that in the event of the Farm burning down at Christmas then everything would be his.Robert Boutflour also testified that his nephew told him he could easily kill his parents.

The fingerprint evidence also bolsters Julie's statement because Jeremy told her a glove came off in the fight with Nevill and Jeremy was worried that Sheila's fingerprints wouldn't show up on the rifle.

[mertol22]

I think this is why we need to re-examine the crime scene as Patti had the sense to realize. I still don't know about the number of weapons at the Farm that day,whether there was a 12 bore shotgun under Nevill's bed with Sheila's fingerprints,whether the lights were on or off(was Sheila holding a candle which might have explained the trick of the light)..so many documents not released which should have been by now and which makes discussion difficult and can lead to personality clashes on issues not worth clashing on.

It seems Colin has forgiven Jeremy and maybe that's a good thing if it helps him come to terms with his loss. I wonder sometimes if Colin has ever read any posts on this site and what his opinion is of it. I would stop posting tomorrow if Colin for whatever reason requested it.

Colin re married, has a daughter a good buisiness and is a artist , he may be aware of the forum but im sure he has better things to do steve and thats to live and support his family,remember jeremy was part of his life but no longer .

[Steve_uk]

Colin re married, has a daughter a good buisiness and is a artist , he may be aware of the forum but im sure he has better things to do steve and thats to live and support his family,remember jeremy was part of his life but no longer .

You're probably right mertol22. I would only say in response to your last part that Colin did write to Jeremy in prison but has since realized that this was a mistake,he felt he didn't receive any true answers and warns against being taken in by the character.

[Steve_uk]

Who was in control of whom at White House Farm? We know June kept a tight rein on the purse strings,but liked to even things out whenever she could. Sheila needed a portfolio of photos and June would pay and for her finishing course;in return Jeremy demanded and received funding for his scuba diving course in New Zealand.

However there came a time when the money dried up for Jeremy. Possibly June was unhappy with her son living in sin with Julie at Goldhanger;Jeremy was dissatisfied with his settlement of Bourtree Cottage and farm wages with his lavish spending tastes to maintain.

There ensued a deadly game of double bluff on Jeremy’s part which June was an unwitting party to. Did she sense the unease and malaise which rocked the Farm every time Jeremy was around? Had Nevill rumbled Jeremy with a side glance as Jeremy went through the motions of being a dedicated farm worker that last year,knowing full well that it would be his last in any event?

The crunch came that first week in August with the arrival of Sheila,who took back her own room from schooldays,and the twins who slept in Jeremy’s room which bore his name on the door. The scene was set as Jeremy noted his sister’s parlous state and pronouncements,and venged one of the worst infanticide crimes since Richard III ordered the destruction of the princes in the Tower of London five hundred years before.

[Patti]

Who was in control of whom at White House Farm? We know June kept a tight rein on the purse strings,but liked to even things out whenever she could. Sheila needed a portfolio of photos and June would pay and for her finishing course;in return Jeremy demanded and received funding for his scuba diving course in New Zealand.

However there came a time when the money dried up for Jeremy. Possibly June was unhappy with her son living in sin with Julie at Goldhanger;Jeremy was dissatisfied with his settlement of Bourtree Cottage and farm wages with his lavish spending tastes to maintain.

There ensued a deadly game of double bluff on Jeremy’s part which June was an unwitting party to. Did she sense the unease and malaise which rocked the Farm every time Jeremy was around? Had Nevill rumbled Jeremy with a side glance as Jeremy went through the motions of being a dedicated farm worker that last year,knowing full well that it would be his last in any event?

The crunch came that first week in August with the arrival of Sheila,who took back her own room from schooldays,and the twins who slept in Jeremy’s room which bore his name on the door. The scene was set as Jeremy noted his sister’s parlous state and pronouncements,and venged one of the worst infanticide crimes since Richard III ordered the destruction of the princes in the Tower of London five hundred years before.

Steve are you a PA for the CCRC? Or are you trying your utmost to project ill feeling to the public domain by posting this fabricated stuff on this forum....lolol

You say Jeremy demanded money for a scuba diving course in New Zealand....what poppy cock!

How on earth did money dry up, he had wealthy parents.  They bought him a house, a car, paid his bills, gave him petrol and a decent wage....Jeremy had plenty of money in the bank...he had plans for his bonus....I tell you something, if Jeremy was telling the police he had plans to buy and build a flat pack porche with his bonus, he was hardly thinking of the cash flow from his inheritance was he? 

You making me giggle.....lol 

[Jane]

Who was in control of whom at White House Farm? We know June kept a tight rein on the purse strings,but liked to even things out whenever she could. Sheila needed a portfolio of photos and June would pay and for her finishing course;in return Jeremy demanded and received funding for his scuba diving course in New Zealand.

However there came a time when the money dried up for Jeremy. Possibly June was unhappy with her son living in sin with Julie at Goldhanger;Jeremy was dissatisfied with his settlement of Bourtree Cottage and farm wages with his lavish spending tastes to maintain.

There ensued a deadly game of double bluff on Jeremy’s part which June was an unwitting party to. Did she sense the unease and malaise which rocked the Farm every time Jeremy was around? Had Nevill rumbled Jeremy with a side glance as Jeremy went through the motions of being a dedicated farm worker that last year,knowing full well that it would be his last in any event?

The crunch came that first week in August with the arrival of Sheila,who took back her own room from schooldays,and the twins who slept in Jeremy’s room which bore his name on the door. The scene was set as Jeremy noted his sister’s parlous state and pronouncements,and venged one of the worst infanticide crimes since Richard III ordered the destruction of the princes in the Tower of London five hundred years before.

And this is "a balance of probabilities"? Really!!!

[lookout]

 Firstly about Richard 3rd,,,,King of England albeit for a short while. Was he ever taunted about his stature as a cripple with Kyphoscoliosis ( Kyphosis ) ? We don't know,,so can't  even speculate on that one.

However,,I think Neville was the ruler when it came to finances,,,especially deals with land and anything to do with the farm. June would have been the one to have funded both children when the need arose.I don't think she treated them any differently on that score.  Neither children were any different to those of today who rely on the bank of mum and dad,,,and all they needed to do was ask,if they wanted anything in particular and both knew this,,so why do you think that Jeremy was anything different.? He was on a good wage and he knew it,,,and as long as he worked on the farm there was never the fear that any money would dry up.
Don't you think that Jeremy was too pre-occupied with his love-life than to think about who was sleeping where at WHF,,or who was doing what.? Him and JM would have been taking themselves off in his car after the farmwork.
I'm of the belief that Jeremy didn't know half of what was going on,,,only being interested in the pub and clubs which was normal for a chap of his age. 

[susan]

Hello lookout

I think Jeremy had a very good lifestyle he did not have to worry about paying bills they were all taken care of, car provided house provided bet Jeremy did not know what roof tax was or whatever it was called back then. Most of his food would have been consumed at the farm he would just have to shop to feed Julie and buy soap .  The wage he earned at the farm was all his to spend as he wished he did not have to budget for his electricity car insurance and so forth.  Why would he not be satisfied with that he was a 24 year old male and all he would think of after work on the farm was pubs and girls.  He had I think an income from his shares at the caravan park he had a great life style and not forgetting Grannie Speakman who was very old and he was set to inherit her fortune.  If he was as steve has tried to portray him a greedy playboy all he had to do was be patient.

[Steve_uk]

Steve are you a PA for the CCRC? Or are you trying your utmost to project ill feeling to the public domain by posting this fabricated stuff on this forum....lolol

You say Jeremy demanded money for a scuba diving course in New Zealand....what poppy cock!

How on earth did money dry up, he had wealthy parents.  They bought him a house, a car, paid his bills, gave him petrol and a decent wage....Jeremy had plenty of money in the bank...he had plans for his bonus....I tell you something, if Jeremy was telling the police he had plans to buy and build a flat pack porche with his bonus, he was hardly thinking of the cash flow from his inheritance was he? 

You making me giggle.....lol 

It wasn't enough for the life he wanted.

[Jane]

It wasn't enough for the life he wanted.

But what's in your thoughts aren't necessarily those in his.

[Patti]

It wasn't enough for the life he wanted.

Steve you don't know the life he wanted, you've never met him, been in his company.....its an assumption based on your beliefs and want your mind is willing to digest.  No one can force you to be any different, I am thankful that you are so unique in your way of thinking, that you encourage debate....