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Re: Jeremy Bamber: the Prelude, the Tragedy and the Aftermath
« Reply #465 on: February 05, 2013, 09:30:PM »
I never heard about Sheila having been on heroine - cocaine and cannabis, yes (Jeremy too), heroine, no.
Where do you have that from?


Sorry,Alias,,,cocaine it was.

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Re: Jeremy Bamber: the Prelude, the Tragedy and the Aftermath
« Reply #466 on: February 05, 2013, 09:44:PM »

Sorry,Alias,,,cocaine it was.

OK  :)

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« Reply #467 on: February 06, 2013, 09:26:PM »
"Rather a prickly boy..irritating..a relentless tease.."

The remarks come from Mr. Bruce Logie Lockhart, Jeremy's former Headmaster at Gresham's public school,where Jeremy spent eight years in a confined space conducive to making accurate character observations one might think. Julie too noticed these traits in Jeremy,found him difficult to read and went along with him hook,line and sinker to her great cost.

What was it in Jeremy's mien,in his manner which drew people who met him to this unflattering conclusion? What was it which intimidated his own sister into not wishing to impose on him by asking for a lift back home at Colin's party..had she sensed the anger and frustration in his lineaments,or had he on a previous occasion averted his gaze from her not through teenage diffidence but through intention,as he realized that she was no longer a good financial proposition but a drain on family finances,suspicion having long since replaced curiosity each time the siblings met in any social setting.

This same presentiment may well have struck Nevill as he pondered the forthcoming shooting season,or the ascetic June as she set about to write her last will and testament with the heartfelt filial letter included. Had the parents realized that their adoptive children had not turned out as planned,as Nevill wept over the death of his sister Diana and kept those dear mementoes of yesteryear on the walnut work desk,and June became aware that Sheila's life chances had diminished and that both children were no match for Pamela's.

Did the parents blame themselves as they stole glances at their adoptive children that final August weekend? Did they quail at the thought of these individuals they had helped to create? Or did they wring their hands and blame outsiders for the influence on their offspring,as they sat down on those long evenings and pondered the nature versus nurture debate?
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Re: Jeremy Bamber: the Prelude, the Tragedy and the Aftermath
« Reply #468 on: February 06, 2013, 09:37:PM »
"Rather a prickly boy..irritating..a relentless tease.."

The remarks come from Mr. Bruce Logie Lockhart, Jeremy's former Headmaster at Gresham's public school,where Jeremy spent eight years in a confined space conducive to making accurate character observations one might think. Julie too noticed these traits in Jeremy,found him difficult to read and went along with him hook,line and sinker to her great cost.

What was it in Jeremy's mien,in his manner which drew people who met him to this unflattering conclusion? What was it which intimidated his own sister into not wishing to impose on him by asking for a lift back home at Colin's party..had she sensed the anger and frustration in his lineaments,or had he on a previous occasion averted his gaze from her not through teenage diffidence but through intention,as he realized that she was no longer a good financial proposition but a drain on family finances,suspicion having long since replaced curiosity each time the siblings met in any social setting.

This same presentiment may well have struck Nevill as he pondered the forthcoming shooting season,or the ascetic June as she set about to write her last will and testament with the heartfelt filial letter included. Had the parents realized that their adoptive children had not turned out as planned,as Nevill wept over the death of his sister Diana and kept those dear mementoes of yesteryear on the walnut work desk,and June became aware that Sheila's life chances had diminished and that both children were no match for Pamela's.

Did the parents blame themselves as they stole glances at their adoptive children that final August weekend? Did they quail at the thought of these individuals they had helped to create? Or did they wring their hands and blame outsiders for the influence on their offspring,as they sat down on those long evenings and pondered the nature versus nurture debate?

I am sorry, Steve, but I resent this post for its discrimination towards adoptees. It is sad, really sad that people think like this.
If you adopt a child, that child is your child, not your adopted child.

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Re: Jeremy Bamber: the Prelude, the Tragedy and the Aftermath
« Reply #469 on: February 06, 2013, 09:38:PM »
"Rather a prickly boy..irritating..a relentless tease.."

The remarks come from Mr. Bruce Logie Lockhart, Jeremy's former Headmaster at Gresham's public school,where Jeremy spent eight years in a confined space conducive to making accurate character observations one might think. Julie too noticed these traits in Jeremy,found him difficult to read and went along with him hook,line and sinker to her great cost.

What was it in Jeremy's mien,in his manner which drew people who met him to this unflattering conclusion? What was it which intimidated his own sister into not wishing to impose on him by asking for a lift back home at Colin's party..had she sensed the anger and frustration in his lineaments,or had he on a previous occasion averted his gaze from her not through teenage diffidence but through intention,as he realized that she was no longer a good financial proposition but a drain on family finances,suspicion having long since replaced curiosity each time the siblings met in any social setting.

This same presentiment may well have struck Nevill as he pondered the forthcoming shooting season,or the ascetic June as she set about to write her last will and testament with the heartfelt filial letter included. Had the parents realized that their adoptive children had not turned out as planned,as Nevill wept over the death of his sister Diana and kept those dear mementoes of yesteryear on the walnut work desk,and June became aware that Sheila's life chances had diminished and that both children were no match for Pamela's.

Did the parents blame themselves as they stole glances at their adoptive children that final August weekend? Did they quail at the thought of these individuals they had helped to create? Or did they wring their hands and blame outsiders for the influence on their offspring,as they sat down on those long evenings and pondered the nature versus nurture debate?
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Re: Jeremy Bamber: the Prelude, the Tragedy and the Aftermath
« Reply #470 on: February 06, 2013, 09:40:PM »
I am sorry, Steve, but I resent this post for its discrimination towards adoptees. It is sad, really sad that people think like this.
If you adopt a child, that child is your child, not your adopted child.
Adoptive Alias..we've discussed this before on this site,perhaps before your time.

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« Reply #471 on: February 06, 2013, 09:41:PM »
"Rather a prickly boy..irritating..a relentless tease.."

The remarks come from Mr. Bruce Logie Lockhart, Jeremy's former Headmaster at Gresham's public school,where Jeremy spent eight years in a confined space conducive to making accurate character observations one might think. Julie too noticed these traits in Jeremy,found him difficult to read and went along with him hook,line and sinker to her great cost.

What was it in Jeremy's mien,in his manner which drew people who met him to this unflattering conclusion? What was it which intimidated his own sister into not wishing to impose on him by asking for a lift back home at Colin's party..had she sensed the anger and frustration in his lineaments,or had he on a previous occasion averted his gaze from her not through teenage diffidence but through intention,as he realized that she was no longer a good financial proposition but a drain on family finances,suspicion having long since replaced curiosity each time the siblings met in any social setting.

This same presentiment may well have struck Nevill as he pondered the forthcoming shooting season,or the ascetic June as she set about to write her last will and testament with the heartfelt filial letter included. Had the parents realized that their adoptive children had not turned out as planned,as Nevill wept over the death of his sister Diana and kept those dear mementoes of yesteryear on the walnut work desk,and June became aware that Sheila's life chances had diminished and that both children were no match for Pamela's.

Did the parents blame themselves as they stole glances at their adoptive children that final August weekend? Did they quail at the thought of these individuals they had helped to create? Or did they wring their hands and blame outsiders for the influence on their offspring,as they sat down on those long evenings and pondered the nature versus nurture debate?
On the contrary my friend when he met him found him a quiet and informative person. If you expect to see your own values in the lives of others you will always be disappointed that they don't come up to your expectations. Indeed I had some terrible comments written about me by my former headmaster. The fact was we was just a horrible man and not many people liked him anyway.

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Re: Jeremy Bamber: the Prelude, the Tragedy and the Aftermath
« Reply #472 on: February 06, 2013, 09:47:PM »
On the contrary my friend when he met him found him a quiet and informative person. If you expect to see your own values in the lives of others you will always be disappointed that they don't come up to your expectations. Indeed I had some terrible comments written about me by my former headmaster. The fact was we was just a horrible man and not many people liked him anyway.
He's different things to different people depending on the context,whether they can be useful to him,whether they have any money. Sheila never had any side to her whilst free from psychosis. I don't wish Jeremy any harm but I can't respect someone who's killed five people and blusters his way through life when a simple "sorry" to Colin for one might be a start..

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Re: Jeremy Bamber: the Prelude, the Tragedy and the Aftermath
« Reply #473 on: February 06, 2013, 09:50:PM »
I am sorry, Steve, but I resent this post for its discrimination towards adoptees. It is sad, really sad that people think like this.
If you adopt a child, that child is your child, not your adopted child.
Exactly Alias. The majority of adoptive parents forget their children are not their natural children most of the time.
I wish steve would at least acknowledge this. unfortunately, I think it is in steve's interest to continually remind people that Jeremy particularly was 'adopted'.   

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Re: Jeremy Bamber: the Prelude, the Tragedy and the Aftermath
« Reply #474 on: February 06, 2013, 09:54:PM »
Exactly Alias. The majority of adoptive parents forget their children are not their natural children most of the time.
I wish steve would at least acknowledge this. unfortunately, I think it is in steve's interest to continually remind people that Jeremy particularly was 'adopted'.
That's two people who now owe me apologies and I'm surprised at you maggie to say the least..

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Re: Jeremy Bamber: the Prelude, the Tragedy and the Aftermath
« Reply #475 on: February 06, 2013, 09:55:PM »
Exactly Alias. The majority of adoptive parents forget their children are not their natural children most of the time.
I wish steve would at least acknowledge this. unfortunately, I think it is in steve's interest to continually remind people that Jeremy particularly was 'adopted'.

As I said, it is sad that people think like that.

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Re: Jeremy Bamber: the Prelude, the Tragedy and the Aftermath
« Reply #476 on: February 06, 2013, 10:05:PM »
That's two people who now owe me apologies and I'm surprised at you maggie to say the least..
Steve I am not wishing to offend you but surely you can understand this continual repeating of the fact these two people were adopted is slightly over egged. Maybe I am a little sensitive due to my being an adoptive mother and I apologise if I have offended you.
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« Reply #477 on: February 06, 2013, 10:12:PM »
He's different things to different people depending on the context,whether they can be useful to him,whether they have any money. Sheila never had any side to her whilst free from psychosis. I don't wish Jeremy any harm but I can't respect someone who's killed five people and blusters his way through life when a simple "sorry" to Colin for one might be a start..
With all due respect you could say that about anyone you don't like.

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« Reply #478 on: February 07, 2013, 01:23:AM »
It's indirectly corroborated by some of the witnesses I quoted. Also the remark(or slip) Jeremy made about saying a glove came off in the fight was not divulged to any mass media source. How could Jeremy possibly have known this if it wasn't he himself who had struggled with and finally killed Nevill? Do you think Matthew McDonald had a conversation with Jeremy after the murders in which these matters were discussed? If not why would Julie risk looking ridiculous in front of Police by making this story up with the sum of £2000 if she was in the last chance saloon and trying to avoid being made an accessory to murder?

Who said the glove is a 'fact'? There is NOTHING to prove that anyone wore gloves or that a glove came off in a struggle OR that any struggle actually took place!! Why would Julie make it up? She had no choice after her friend went to the police, if she had denied everything, she would have looked like an idiot, she would have lost her friends, the papers would have made mincemeat of her and opps!! That would have been her career down the swanny!!

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Re: Jeremy Bamber: the Prelude, the Tragedy and the Aftermath
« Reply #479 on: February 07, 2013, 11:32:AM »
There's no honesty among thieves.