Jeremy Bamber: the Prelude, the Tragedy and the Aftermath

[lookout]

ive put it in other threads.  its weak at best but he's the most likely culprit

 " most likely " ?. You must admit,BG,,that it's not good enough in a court of law. I expect a list of evidence as long as my arm before I hold my hands up.

[big-goolies]

I beleive JB knowing he was the only person that knew the truth of what really happened that night knew that anyone had to prove that he was lying , he even said so in court.

[packagebuilder]

  As others say there's evidence to show the scene was played with, the scene wasn't protected. and silly cooky screwed the sound moderator on the end of the bloody threaded muzzle. before sending the thing to be tested as is alleged?

There just as much evidence as me point a finger at you big-goolies and say you did it!

[lookout]

I beleive JB knowing he was the only person that knew the truth of what really happened that night knew that anyone had to prove that he was lying , he even said so in court.

BG,,how do you know that Jeremy was the only one who knew the truth.? And you think he got a fair trial by him asking for proof that he was lying.?

[Alias]

I promised earlier that I would find some material on schizophrenia. This absolutely does not prove that Sheila committed those murders; but reading the article, you go, check, that was Sheila, check, that was like Sheila and so forth, on most points actually.
It is too significant to just rule out Sheila easily. I apologize to the memory of Sheila if this is all wrong. Please read if you can be bothered, it is interesting.

I promised to find material about mentally ill also being capable of planning killings and going about it methodically. I have read and posted such links earlier, but that will have to be another day. TOO DAMNED TIRED NOW!


http://www.schizophrenia.com/New/Dec2002/violenceDec02.htm

[big-goolies]

It would be easy enough to label SC as the schizophrenic murderer of her family as JB did but that still doesnt make the 'suicide' shots to SC as plausible

[lookout]

It would be easy enough to label SC as the schizophrenic murderer of her family as JB did but that still doesnt make the 'suicide' shots to SC as plausible

It does you know,BG,,,for believe it or not after the " energy " having been used killing a family,,schizophrenics forget that they're supposed to commit suicide so end up usually doing a botched job on themselves.

[Jane]

I promised earlier that I would find some material on schizophrenia. This absolutely does not prove that Sheila committed those murders; but reading the article, you go, check, that was Sheila, check, that was like Sheila and so forth, on most points actually.
It is too significant to just rule out Sheila easily. I apologize to the memory of Sheila if this is all wrong. Please read if you can be bothered, it is interesting.

I promised to find material about mentally ill also being capable of planning killings and going about it methodically. I have read and posted such links earlier, but that will have to be another day. TOO DAMNED TIRED NOW!


http://www.schizophrenia.com/New/Dec2002/violenceDec02.htm

Thank you for that, Alias. I found a link today that talks about how fear can trigger murder and suicide in schizophrenics with no previous history of violence, but it looks as if yours has a human element to it that makes it easy to relate to.

[Patti]

I promised earlier that I would find some material on schizophrenia. This absolutely does not prove that Sheila committed those murders; but reading the article, you go, check, that was Sheila, check, that was like Sheila and so forth, on most points actually.
It is too significant to just rule out Sheila easily. I apologize to the memory of Sheila if this is all wrong. Please read if you can be bothered, it is interesting.

I promised to find material about mentally ill also being capable of planning killings and going about it methodically. I have read and posted such links earlier, but that will have to be another day. TOO DAMNED TIRED NOW!


http://www.schizophrenia.com/New/Dec2002/violenceDec02.htm

Alias

Thank you for posting this. I do hope everyone reads it. Its a very sad insight to the real world of Schizophrenia.....There are so many similarities...Its also nice that you value Sheila's name.  I do hope that one day we will know the full truth. 

This bit particularly interested me: 

A recent study by the American Psychiatric Association, cited by Bradford, showed the risk of violence is six to seven times higher among people with major depression or schizophrenia. The risk rises to six to 12 times higher in schizophrenics who drink alcohol and 35 to 40 times higher for those on cocaine.

[Alias]

It would be easy enough to label SC as the schizophrenic murderer of her family as JB did but that still doesnt make the 'suicide' shots to SC as plausible

I find them equally, if not less, possible in the case of Jeremy Bamber shooting her. How was he positioned to make those shots, how did he make her cooperate to lie down in such an awkward position? TWhy was there no struggle at THAT point?? And finally, WHERE was Sheila while Jeremy was killing the rest of the family - why didn´t she run, it must have taken some time?
I don´t buy that she was frozen in fear somewhere just waiting in line to be shot. People do fight for their lives - even petite women. In fact I think it is an insult to women in general and Sheila in particular to claim she was too feeble and weak to do the slightest to save her children or herself.

[Alias]

Thanks April and Patti.
The last sentence in your post struck me too, Patti.
It is such a sad illness, yes. I don´t think we can come close to imagining what it is like.

[big-goolies]

In fact I think it is an insult to women in general and Sheila in particular to claim she was too feeble and weak to do the slightest to save her children or herself.

 
I find it a bigger insult to women and SC labeling them as killers because they maybe schizophrenic

[Lugg]

I find them equally, if not less, possible in the case of Jeremy Bamber shooting her. How was he positioned to make those shots, how did he make her cooperate to lie down in such an awkward position? TWhy was there no struggle at THAT point?? And finally, WHERE was Sheila while Jeremy was killing the rest of the family - why didn´t she run, it must have taken some time?
I don´t buy that she was frozen in fear somewhere just waiting in line to be shot. People do fight for their lives - even petite women. In fact I think it is an insult to women in general and Sheila in particular to claim she was too feeble and weak to do the slightest to save her children or herself.

She would have fought any attacker like a cat with her claws out. She would have done anything to damage any attacker who were hurting her children.

[Alias]

 
I find it a bigger insult to women and SC labeling them as killers because they maybe schizophrenic

That is not gender-specific. 

[Patti]

 
I find it a bigger insult to women and SC labeling them as killers because they maybe schizophrenic

Its not nice really is it.