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Re: Jeremy Bamber: the Prelude, the Tragedy and the Aftermath
« Reply #405 on: February 04, 2013, 06:31:PM »

BG,,,can you write as much information giving evidence that Jeremy did it.?

 
No  :( he didnt leave much evidence and was quite a good actor

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« Reply #406 on: February 04, 2013, 06:42:PM »

 
No  :( he didnt leave much evidence and was quite a good actor


No evidence--------no crime...How was he a good actor.? Because he happened to admit it himself.? What does it prove.?

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« Reply #407 on: February 04, 2013, 06:43:PM »
Steve, you say, with no little pride, that what you offer is based on a balance of probabilities. Last night you appeared to be clutching at very fragile straws. You, rather vulgarly, spoke of "....the way Jeremy sniffed around everybody and everything......." You elevated him to the status of chemist when you suggested that he had taken on board all 5 of Sheila's meds and furthermore how they would interact with recreational drugs. I thought I detected panic when you said you were looking for statisics of schizophrenics committing suicide using guns. I'm certain you don't need me to tell you that stats will always prove that which they are required to.

I was amazed when you had the temerity to tell a psych nurse "schizophrenia doesn't work like that........" Lookout and several others of us have been telling you that for as long as it has been debated. I wouldn't deny anyone the right to express their opinion. If we stuck to what we know we wouldn't advance any further, but we're on rather shakey ground if we spout theories at varience to those who have personal, daily experience.

You have, on numerous occasions, said that Dr Ferguson said Sheila had too much to live for to attempt suicide, but he was basing that on  his last meeting with her, middle/end of March. He had no way of knowing the path her life would take over the following 12/16 weeks. A schizophrenic may never have previously shown signs of wanting to commit suicide, so it would be easy to assume that person was not suicidal, but if the same person became fearful enough of a given/imagined situation, the fear itself MAY be enough of a trigger. I can only say I feel that Sheila was in a very fearful place and may have been looking for somewhere safe for her and the boys.

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Re: Jeremy Bamber: the Prelude, the Tragedy and the Aftermath
« Reply #408 on: February 04, 2013, 07:03:PM »
only 5-13% of schizophrenics actually commit suicide , well known figures show that women are actually less likely to commit suicide , it's more likely for men to commit suicide.   
I think we're looking at less than 5% of schizophrenic women commiting suicide
 
 
So here we have SC who allegedly in that very small % , not only that but murders her entire family. the percentages here keep getting smaller and smaller

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« Reply #409 on: February 04, 2013, 07:13:PM »
only 5-13% of schizophrenics actually commit suicide , well known figures show that women are actually less likely to commit suicide , it's more likely for men to commit suicide.   
I think we're looking at less than 5% of schizophrenic women commiting suicide
 
 
So here we have SC who allegedly in that very small % , not only that but murders her entire family. the percentages here keep getting smaller and smaller



I not entirely certain that percentages are applicable in this case. For starters we have no way of knowing which variables had been part of the equation. We have no way of knowing what life circumstances were in place. We don't know if meds were appropriate. We don't know if meds were being taken. We don't know what was happening emotionally. We know quite a lot about what was happening with Sheila.

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« Reply #410 on: February 04, 2013, 07:19:PM »


I not entirely certain that percentages are applicable in this case. For starters we have no way of knowing which variables had been part of the equation. We have no way of knowing what life circumstances were in place. We don't know if meds were appropriate. We don't know if meds were being taken. We don't know what was happening emotionally. We know quite a lot about what was happening with Sheila.

 
i find the percentages only going down here , what increases the % is the amount of people who want to believe that SC was a killer...  But believing is not enough to equal the equation.
 
I came to this site because there is so much doubt over this case , but i find it hard to believe that SC did this. 
Women are crazy but not this crazy.

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« Reply #411 on: February 04, 2013, 07:28:PM »
only 5-13% of schizophrenics actually commit suicide , well known figures show that women are actually less likely to commit suicide , it's more likely for men to commit suicide.   
I think we're looking at less than 5% of schizophrenic women commiting suicide
 
 
So here we have SC who allegedly in that very small % , not only that but murders her entire family. the percentages here keep getting smaller and smaller

True but having access to away of suicide does increase the likely hood, plus 80's drugs were have more side-effects!

My mates wife has schizophrenia same build as Sheila, her husband built like a tank, didn't give a shit about police or anyone, always did what he like! When she had a violent turn, even he phone the police and came running out the house in fear, he got in the police car with the kids and even ambulance etc doctors etc just needed to control one women!
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« Reply #412 on: February 04, 2013, 07:32:PM »
i dont fully understand the causes and effects of  schizophrenia but SC doesnt seem to meet the most average of criteria. Maybe if we had a psychiatrist on here who could explain the possibilties of a schizophrenic not only wanting to kill themselves but everyone in the house.
 
 
http://www.annals-general-psychiatry.com/content/6/1/10

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« Reply #413 on: February 04, 2013, 07:32:PM »
only 5-13% of schizophrenics actually commit suicide , well known figures show that women are actually less likely to commit suicide , it's more likely for men to commit suicide.   
I think we're looking at less than 5% of schizophrenic women commiting suicide
 
 
So here we have SC who allegedly in that very small % , not only that but murders her entire family. the percentages here keep getting smaller and smaller
That still brings Sheila into the 5%. I don't see anyone here discussing any other schizoprenics killing their families here?

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« Reply #414 on: February 04, 2013, 07:33:PM »

 
i find the percentages only going down here , what increases the % is the amount of people who want to believe that SC was a killer...  But believing is not enough to equal the equation.
 
I came to this site because there is so much doubt over this case , but i find it hard to believe that SC did this. 
Women are crazy but not this crazy.



I would agree entirely that simply wanting something to be does not make it so, but please remember that there is NO proof that Jeremy did or not commit the crime and all we know of what he supposedly did/said comes from the mouth of his jilted girlfriend. We have much less doubtful knowledge regarding Sheila and several people, at the time, registered no doubts about her having carried out the killings. That you want her not to have done it doesn't make it so.

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« Reply #415 on: February 04, 2013, 07:36:PM »


I would agree entirely that simply wanting something to be does not make it so, but please remember that there is NO proof that Jeremy did or not commit the crime and all we know of what he supposedly did/said comes from the mouth of his jilted girlfriend. We have much less doubtful knowledge regarding Sheila and several people, at the time, registered no doubts about her having carried out the killings. That you want her not to have done it doesn't make it so.

 
true , what im saying is that once you rule out SC as a suicide case then you have to look elsewhere for the murderer , i cant fully condemn JB but all evidence points to him until something new does come to light

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« Reply #416 on: February 04, 2013, 07:40:PM »
That still brings Sheila into the 5%. I don't see anyone here discussing any other schizoprenics killing their families here?

 
if you had 100% of that 5% of female schizophrenics killing themselves and thier entire family then there could be a good case agianst SC
Otherwise SC is the only 1 of 5% that commited familycide

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Re: Jeremy Bamber: the Prelude, the Tragedy and the Aftermath
« Reply #417 on: February 04, 2013, 07:42:PM »

 
true , what im saying is that once you rule out SC as a suicide case then you have to look elsewhere for the murderer , i cant fully condemn JB but all evidence points to him until something new does come to light


BG,,what is " all the evidence pointing to him " ?. Please list it.

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« Reply #418 on: February 04, 2013, 07:44:PM »
ive put it in other threads.  its weak at best but he's the most likely culprit

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Re: Jeremy Bamber: the Prelude, the Tragedy and the Aftermath
« Reply #419 on: February 04, 2013, 07:47:PM »

 
true , what im saying is that once you rule out SC as a suicide case then you have to look elsewhere for the murderer , i cant fully condemn JB but all evidence points to him until something new does come to light


But Sheila CAN'T be ruled out of being a suicidal risk, and if you have evidence that Jeremy did it then you must have knowledge that many of us don't. May I ask, if this case was bought to court now, do you believe, in light of the possibilites that have been revealed since 1985, that the outcome would be the same?