Jeremy Bamber: the Prelude, the Tragedy and the Aftermath

[HMEssex]

At least you try to answer the question. But you get confused as to Jeremy's motives. Was he dumping her or running to her in a time of distress? Make your mind up.

In my opinion Julie was too dangerous in Jeremy's eyes to dump. He two-timed her yes,yet he was on call to move her settee to her new flat in Hither Green. The next thing he knew she had rightly gone to the Police.

I'm not confused.

He turned to her at the night of the events.

He dumped her weeks later.

Therefore she wasn't too dangerous to dump.  Maybe you're confused!
 

[Caroline R]

At least you try to answer the question. But you get confused as to Jeremy's motives. Was he dumping her or running to her in a time of distress? Make your mind up.

In my opinion Julie was too dangerous in Jeremy's eyes to dump. He two-timed her yes,yet he was on call to move her settee to her new flat in Hither Green. The next thing he knew she had rightly gone to the Police.

Someone here is certainly confused!! 

[mertol22]

If a rich or well dressed woman was also back then working at Sloppy Joes who was a stunner it would be easy to guess who jeremy would have made a move on, JM would not have been the one, yet with her edge  a challenge and with no other girl in sight jeremy went for it, a challenge with a later price tag.

[Jane]

If a rich or well dressed woman was also back then working at Sloppy Joes who was a stunner it would be easy to guess who jeremy would have made a move on, JM would not have been the one, yet with her edge  a challenge and with no other girl in sight jeremy went for it, a challenge with a later price tag.

We have to look at what their respective agendas were. We can be reasonably certain that Jeremy's, because he was already accustomed to a "certain"style, was not about finding a woman who would keep him. Whereas Julie, once she had taken stock of the way he presented himself, the way he spoke, the way he dressed, would have sensed wealth. She probably had him in her sights before he noticed her and would have made a point of getting him to notice her. I cannot believe for one moment that the desire to teach would have been quite so strong if the chance had arisen for her to become young Mrs Bamber.

[HMEssex]

If a rich or well dressed woman was also back then working at Sloppy Joes who was a stunner it would be easy to guess who jeremy would have made a move on, JM would not have been the one, yet with her edge  a challenge and with no other girl in sight jeremy went for it, a challenge with a later price tag.

Yes, very interesting.  I bet JM hated Suzy?!

[Steve_uk]

I'm not confused.

He turned to her at the night of the events.

He dumped her weeks later.

Therefore she wasn't too dangerous to dump.  Maybe you're confused!

So his attitude towards her is perplexing. If he has no murderous intent they exchange pleasantries during call 1 for twenty minutes,in call 2 Julie is dear enough to Jeremy's heart to wake her in the middle of the night,and in call 3 he needs her physically by his side. By mid-morning he wants to be alone with her.A month later Jeremy takes out Anji Greaves. There were no conversations at any time regarding the perpetrator of five deaths,no speculation on Jeremy's part to Julie as to why Sheila took four lives and then her own. There were no conversations on this subject because at that stage Julie had guessed Jeremy was responsible and he knew that Julie had realized just what he had done.

[Jane]

So his attitude towards her is perplexing. If he has no murderous intent they exchange pleasantries during call 1 for twenty minutes,in call 2 Julie is dear enough to Jeremy's heart to wake her in the middle of the night,and in call 3 he needs her physically by his side. By mid-morning he wants to be alone with her.A month later Jeremy takes out Anji Greaves. There were no conversations at any time regarding the perpetrator of five deaths,no speculation on Jeremy's part to Julie as to why Sheila took four lives and then her own. There were no conversations on this subject because at that stage Julie had guessed Jeremy was responsible and he knew that Julie had realized just what he had done.

Give the woman a medal!!!!! If as you have continually told ud, Jeremy had been talking to her about his plans for the previous 6months or more, would she not at the very least have needed to be thick NOT to have guessed that he was responsible, and telling him to go to bed shows little concern given that she now supposedly knew for the first time that Jeremy was responsible.

[Alias]

Give the woman a medal!!!!! If as you have continually told ud, Jeremy had been talking to her about his plans for the previous 6months or more, would she not at the very least have needed to be thick NOT to have guessed that he was responsible, and telling him to go to bed shows little concern given that she now supposedly knew for the first time that Jeremy was responsible.

It seems unlikely that Jeremy would have been so dumb as to call Julie to, 1. tell her: TONIGHT IS THE NIGHT!! 2. later tell her: EVERYTHING WENT WELL AT THE FARM!
He might as well have taken a megaphone to a rooftop and yelled it out for all to hear.
+ her response : "Go back to bed." seems unlikely.
I think she made this up - perhaps goaded by the EP. Too odd otherwise!

[HMEssex]

So his attitude towards her is perplexing. If he has no murderous intent they exchange pleasantries during call 1 for twenty minutes,in call 2 Julie is dear enough to Jeremy's heart to wake her in the middle of the night,and in call 3 he needs her physically by his side. By mid-morning he wants to be alone with her.A month later Jeremy takes out Anji Greaves. There were no conversations at any time regarding the perpetrator of five deaths,no speculation on Jeremy's part to Julie as to why Sheila took four lives and then her own. There were no conversations on this subject because at that stage Julie had guessed Jeremy was responsible and he knew that Julie had realized just what he had done.

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Or, Julie knew he WAS NOT responsible and she knew Sheila had done it!

[lookout]

So his attitude towards her is perplexing. If he has no murderous intent they exchange pleasantries during call 1 for twenty minutes,in call 2 Julie is dear enough to Jeremy's heart to wake her in the middle of the night,and in call 3 he needs her physically by his side. By mid-morning he wants to be alone with her.A month later Jeremy takes out Anji Greaves. There were no conversations at any time regarding the perpetrator of five deaths,no speculation on Jeremy's part to Julie as to why Sheila took four lives and then her own. There were no conversations on this subject because at that stage Julie had guessed Jeremy was responsible and he knew that Julie had realized just what he had done.

Steve,,,Jeremy was an entirely free agent when it came to women. The law didn't state that he must stay with JM. His " philandering  ways " had got nothing whatsoever to do with the case,nor anybody else. You're forgetting that he was only 24 and happily, and normally playing the field,,,and good for him.
Thank Heaven he didn't marry the woman. I think June would have put her spoke in before that came into fruition.

Take a look at the cocktail of medication that Sheila was taking,,,which was vital for her condition.:

Anafranil------------anti-depressant
Noctec-----------to aid sleep
Procyclidine---------to treat the side-effects of Haloperidol.
Triludan-------------for allergic reactions
Haloperidol-----------anti-psychotic

The toxicologist had made a report stating that there would have been an interaction between Haloperidol and Cannabis,,,both of which was found to be present.
Which proves that Sheila hadn't taken any prescription drugs that she should have done to avoid a psychotic outburst.

In the words of the judge,,it was either Sheila or Jeremy.! Given Sheilas' sad but volatile history,,,a blind man on a galloping horse would see who was responsible for those murders.

[killingeve]

Another lovely story, Steve.

Jeremy called Julie, presumably, because she was his girlfriend of the past 2 years, so she would be his first 'port of call', so nothing strange about that.  However, her response of 'go back to sleep' surely is?

No, there was no murder plan and therefore Julie DID make it up. otherwise they would both be equally evil, and Julie obviously did dress up tidbits from AE.

Jeremy did not keep Julie 'on board' - he dumped her!  Sadly, many marriages do not survive terrible tragedies let alone courtships.  Who knows, maybe the fact that she could identify the bodies without much emotion put Jeremy off her (see I can embellish stories too).

IMO Julie's statement is that of an evil, jealous cow who couldn't accept the fact the Jeremy no longer wanted her (she would have gone on seeing him otherwise).

She was 'lucky' enough to be offered 25K if he was convicted, so maybe her tears in court were because she was finally actually facing him and she knew she was lying, so the tears were twofold - due to her lying and that perhaps she wouldn't get the money - she didn't know if he would be found guilty or not guilty.  But she soon perked up as we saw in the drag queen look a like NOTW pics.

Jeremy wrote to her after the trial and asked her to tell the truth - he had no idea why she said what she did. 

Poor Jeremy, except for killing him, that must be the ultimate experience of a woman scorned.

Hi HMEssex

Truly one of your finest.  Well done my friend  .

Btw you have always been on the Filly list.  Your good self, Caroline, a n other who may not wish to be named at this stage and Naughty Nun.  Two others have been short-listed for approval.  .  They happen to be guilty posters but Fillies don't discriminate based on opinions, beliefs and views held.  We will then be a true fighting force against you know who 

[Steve_uk]

Give the woman a medal!!!!! If as you have continually told ud, Jeremy had been talking to her about his plans for the previous 6months or more, would she not at the very least have needed to be thick NOT to have guessed that he was responsible, and telling him to go to bed shows little concern given that she now supposedly knew for the first time that Jeremy was responsible.

Julie met Jeremy in November 1983 and they broke up in September 1985. Julie's life with him is condensed into fourteen pages and we just don't know exactly when and on how many occasions Jeremy mentioned the subject of killing his parents to her.

[HMEssex]

Hi HMEssex

Truly one of your finest.  Well done my friend  .

Btw you have always been on the Filly list.  Your good self, Caroline, a n other who may not wish to be named at this stage and Naughty Nun.  Two others have been short-listed for approval.  .  They happen to be guilty posters but Fillies don't discriminate based on opinions, beliefs and views held.  We will then be a true fighting force against you know who 

Gee, thanks!!

Neigh!!  :D

When's the party?

[Jane]

Julie met Jeremy in November 1983 and they broke up in September 1985. Julie's life with him is condensed into fourteen pages and we just don't know exactly when and on how many occasions Jeremy mentioned the subject of killing his parents to her.

Steve, I'm so glad you've finally taken that point on board, I've been saying it long enough. However, if we had chosen to listen to what you have consistantly told us, certainly from the time she says Jeremy first spoke of murdering his family, it took up the whole of their life together.For now, I wish you good night and sweet dreams

[Steve_uk]

Steve,,,Jeremy was an entirely free agent when it came to women. The law didn't state that he must stay with JM. His " philandering  ways " had got nothing whatsoever to do with the case,nor anybody else. You're forgetting that he was only 24 and happily, and normally playing the field,,,and good for him.
Thank Heaven he didn't marry the woman. I think June would have put her spoke in before that came into fruition.

Take a look at the cocktail of medication that Sheila was taking,,,which was vital for her condition.:

Anafranil------------anti-depressant
Noctec-----------to aid sleep
Procyclidine---------to treat the side-effects of Haloperidol.
Triludan-------------for allergic reactions
Haloperidol-----------anti-psychotic

The toxicologist had made a report stating that there would have been an interaction between Haloperidol and Cannabis,,,both of which was found to be present.
Which proves that Sheila hadn't taken any prescription drugs that she should have done to avoid a psychotic outburst.

In the words of the judge,,it was either Sheila or Jeremy.! Given Sheilas' sad but volatile history,,,a blind man on a galloping horse would see who was responsible for those murders.

The way Jeremy sniffed around everything and everyone I bet he knew exactly what she was prescribed and learned  that "she hasn't been taking her medication" as June told the electrician earlier in the week. Jeremy's natural father was in the Army Medical Corps and Jeremy's favourite subject at school was chemistry and I wouldn't have put it past him to read up on schizophrenia and the possibilities this opened up to him in using Sheila as a scapegoat.

No blood down the front of her nightie,no lead on hands,perfect nails,no sign she had been in a struggle with anyone,involuntary body movements making the reloading of a gun difficult if not impossible,and Nevill alive at 3:26am with the Police arriving at 3:48am when no sound of running water was heard,no shouts or screams.

I have told you before:a woman such as Sheila might have looked out of the window and seen Police arrive. She would then have taken the corpses of Nicholas and Daniel outside in her arms to show them and tell them how she had saved their souls. Such are the actions conducive of a schizophrenic,not scarpering upstairs to shoot herself twice and lay to rest alongside the one person she really did not get along with,her mother June.