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Re: Jeremy Bamber: the Prelude, the Tragedy and the Aftermath
« Reply #300 on: February 03, 2013, 08:06:PM »
So many comments to deal with from the aftermath of the truth,which however Jeremy tries to hoodwink will out in the end. Leaving people in the West country aside and the water to wine story which occurs in only John's gospel,you should all ask yourselves just what was the purpose of Julie in Jeremy's life for a period of almost two years.

You should ask yourself just why Jeremy stuck with her not just before the tragedy(which I have called the "prelude" for the purposes of this thread),but also in the direct aftermath of the tragedy it was Julie whom Jeremy summoned for whatever reason the Jeremy supporters can ascertain you can let me know,when he specifically asked DS Stan Jones and Mick Clark if he could have a few moments alone with his girlfriend at Bourtree Cottage that first morning.

What possible reason could Jeremy have to associate with Julie after the murders? What possible reason did he have to telephone her around 10pm on the Tuesday night,then again around 3am on the Wednesday morning and finally around 5:30am from the callbox at Goldhanger. Was Jeremy so emotionally insecure that he needed Julie for support,this girl who had been fagging away at pleasing Jeremy since November 1983,and who we are led to believe had no knowledge of any murder plot Jeremy may have harboured?

It seems to me the Jeremy supporters want it both ways,which should no longer surprise me knowing this site,but as there are so many of you resolute in your support for Jeremy I would say this:either there never was any murder plan in Jeremy's mind and therefore Julie knew nothing and has made the bulk of her statement to Police up,or Jeremy bounced his murder plans off Julie and Julie is at least implicated to some degree and guilty of omission,but by the same token this also incriminates Jeremy as the source of the evil scheme in the first place. What possible motive does Julie have to admit to the damning evidence that she could have gone to Police,that she was at least an accessory before the fact and that she could have stopped the murders of five people if only she had acted earlier. Any titbits she heard from Ann Eaton and the relatives would not have been dressed up by Julie in a formal statement to Police:who needed all that hassle?

In an answer to my own question I am quite certain in my own mind that the only explanation for Jeremy's conduct in the wake of the murders was to keep Julie on board,to keep her sweet until such time as he could pay her off,the memories of the murders faded and Julie would no longer have a hold on him. He did the same with Charles Marsden whom he must have regretted making the remark about the Farm burning down to,because true to type Jeremy also contacted him shortly after the murders in an attempt to keep him on side.

I believe Julie's statement,it's a statement spoken from the heart of a 19 year old girl who had transgressed and had hoped to avoid contact with Police until her hand was forced. It does not portray her in a perfect light by any means,but the truth is so much easier to cope with in one's inner conscience;a full confession means there's no need for the constant stream of "don't knows" or "no comments" to the more dangerous questions asking why Jeremy telephoned Julie at all three times in a matter of hours,whilst ostensibly nonchalantly picking threads from a red Arran sweater,whilst inside secretly trembling with fear that the truth would surface.






Another lovely story, Steve.

Jeremy called Julie, presumably, because she was his girlfriend of the past 2 years, so she would be his first 'port of call', so nothing strange about that.  However, her response of 'go back to sleep' surely is?

No, there was no murder plan and therefore Julie DID make it up. otherwise they would both be equally evil, and Julie obviously did dress up tidbits from AE.

Jeremy did not keep Julie 'on board' - he dumped her!  Sadly, many marriages do not survive terrible tragedies let alone courtships.  Who knows, maybe the fact that she could identify the bodies without much emotion put Jeremy off her (see I can embellish stories too).

IMO Julie's statement is that of an evil, jealous cow who couldn't accept the fact the Jeremy no longer wanted her (she would have gone on seeing him otherwise).

She was 'lucky' enough to be offered 25K if he was convicted, so maybe her tears in court were because she was finally actually facing him and she knew she was lying, so the tears were twofold - due to her lying and that perhaps she wouldn't get the money - she didn't know if he would be found guilty or not guilty.  But she soon perked up as we saw in the drag queen look a like NOTW pics.

Jeremy wrote to her after the trial and asked her to tell the truth - he had no idea why she said what she did. 

Poor Jeremy, except for killing him, that must be the ultimate experience of a woman scorned.

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Re: Jeremy Bamber: the Prelude, the Tragedy and the Aftermath
« Reply #301 on: February 03, 2013, 08:13:PM »
Steve likes what he reads and all of us are enriched by his almost daily  quotes from books, however is steve aware he is easily blinded by what considered the truth, even steve can make a mistake , i very much doubt he knows JM that well, in her eyes i saw £££signs nothing more.


Mertol, hi. Yes, we get to read books that we wouldn't buy :D :D :D and yes, I think we feel ourselves to be enriched by his quotes. Sadly though, I feel that Steve sees Julie through a soft focus lens (could that be a replacement for rose tinted glasses?) and that could put him in a state rather like being in love.........or at the very least, besotted. But powerful women can do that to some men and they never do see the £££££signs in their eyes.

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« Reply #302 on: February 03, 2013, 08:18:PM »

Mertol, hi. Yes, we get to read books that we wouldn't buy :D :D :D and yes, I think we feel ourselves to be enriched by his quotes. Sadly though, I feel that Steve sees Julie through a soft focus lens (could that be a replacement for rose tinted glasses?) and that could put him in a state rather like being in love.........or at the very least, besotted. But powerful women can do that to some men and they never do see the £££££signs in their eyes.
Hello April, thats the point im making , in the case of Jeremy he did not see £££signs in JM perhaps he had not encountered anyone like her before, a clue is in their early days while both at S Joes working just had to happen, today jeremy was a fool even to gullable when you play with the devil the devil mostly wins.

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Re: Jeremy Bamber: the Prelude, the Tragedy and the Aftermath
« Reply #303 on: February 03, 2013, 08:18:PM »

Mertol, hi. Yes, we get to read books that we wouldn't buy :D :D :D and yes, I think we feel ourselves to be enriched by his quotes. Sadly though, I feel that Steve sees Julie through a soft focus lens (could that be a replacement for rose tinted glasses?) and that could put him in a state rather like being in love.........or at the very least, besotted. But powerful women can do that to some men and they never do see the £££££signs in their eyes.





I do wonder where Steve's love for Julie comes from.  Is he an ex of hers or something?!!

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« Reply #304 on: February 03, 2013, 08:21:PM »
I dont think so , i think he does ponder the books on the case and colins book the most, from there he has all he wants jeremy guilty without any doubt, a bold path to take using books as the key.

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« Reply #305 on: February 03, 2013, 08:22:PM »
In Clare Powell's book we get the incident of the smuggled out letter from prison in which Jeremy threatens Julie..of course one pays one's money and takes one's choice whilst reading them..the silencers may well have been merged into one and if there ever was a retrial there would certainly be enough evidence to confuse a jury,if not to release.

I don't accept that Julie's statement is a tissue of lies as it's corroborated in parts by other witnesses(James Richards,Charles Marsden,Liz Rimington,Doris Foakes)and this was one of the three pillars of the case along with the silencer and the non-existent telephone call from Nevill.

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Re: Jeremy Bamber: the Prelude, the Tragedy and the Aftermath
« Reply #306 on: February 03, 2013, 08:24:PM »




I do wonder where Steve's love for Julie comes from.  Is he an ex of hers or something?!!


Perhaps it's more admiration but frankly, I don't see as admirable, anything about her.

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« Reply #307 on: February 03, 2013, 08:26:PM »
After looking at the Luke Mtchell Lie detector test which he passed, I believe that Bamber is innocent of those murders at WHF. He also took the test and passed. What I would like to see is for Julie Mugford to consent to take the same test.

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Re: Jeremy Bamber: the Prelude, the Tragedy and the Aftermath
« Reply #308 on: February 03, 2013, 08:27:PM »





Another lovely story, Steve.

Jeremy called Julie, presumably, because she was his girlfriend of the past 2 years, so she would be his first 'port of call', so nothing strange about that.  However, her response of 'go back to sleep' surely is?

No, there was no murder plan and therefore Julie DID make it up. otherwise they would both be equally evil, and Julie obviously did dress up tidbits from AE.

Jeremy did not keep Julie 'on board' - he dumped her!  Sadly, many marriages do not survive terrible tragedies let alone courtships.  Who knows, maybe the fact that she could identify the bodies without much emotion put Jeremy off her (see I can embellish stories too).

IMO Julie's statement is that of an evil, jealous cow who couldn't accept the fact the Jeremy no longer wanted her (she would have gone on seeing him otherwise).

She was 'lucky' enough to be offered 25K if he was convicted, so maybe her tears in court were because she was finally actually facing him and she knew she was lying, so the tears were twofold - due to her lying and that perhaps she wouldn't get the money - she didn't know if he would be found guilty or not guilty.  But she soon perked up as we saw in the drag queen look a like NOTW pics.

Jeremy wrote to her after the trial and asked her to tell the truth - he had no idea why she said what she did. 

Poor Jeremy, except for killing him, that must be the ultimate experience of a woman scorned.
At least you try to answer the question. But you get confused as to Jeremy's motives. Was he dumping her or running to her in a time of distress? Make your mind up.

In my opinion Julie was too dangerous in Jeremy's eyes to dump. He two-timed her yes,yet he was on call to move her settee to her new flat in Hither Green. The next thing he knew she had rightly gone to the Police.

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Re: Jeremy Bamber: the Prelude, the Tragedy and the Aftermath
« Reply #309 on: February 03, 2013, 08:27:PM »
In Clare Powell's book we get the incident of the smuggled out letter from prison in which Jeremy threatens Julie..of course one pays one's money and takes one's choice whilst reading them..the silencers may well have been merged into one and if there ever was a retrial there would certainly be enough evidence to confuse a jury,if not to release.

I don't accept that Julie's statement is a tissue of lies as it's corroborated in parts by other witnesses(James Richards,Charles Marsden,Liz Rimington,Doris Foakes)and this was one of the three pillars of the case along with the silencer and the non-existent telephone call from Nevill.
So a re trial could raise doubts then ? so there is a per cent unsure , if its a mere 1% uncertain is that a concern for you,given claire powells book { which i have  } is a demolition of jeremy from where is the doubt from.

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Re: Jeremy Bamber: the Prelude, the Tragedy and the Aftermath
« Reply #310 on: February 03, 2013, 08:29:PM »
So a re trial could raise doubts then ? so there is a per cent unsure , if its a mere 1% uncertain is that a concern for you,given claire powells book { which i have  } is a demolition of jeremy from where is the doubt from.
Mertol22 there are 4 million documents associated with this case,so you could say a jury might be confused to put it mildly.

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« Reply #311 on: February 03, 2013, 08:31:PM »
Mertol22 there are 4 million documents associated with this case,so you could say a jury might be confused to put it mildly.
2 were confused at the 1986 trial steve.

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Re: Jeremy Bamber: the Prelude, the Tragedy and the Aftermath
« Reply #312 on: February 03, 2013, 08:32:PM »
After looking at the Luke Mtchell Lie detector test which he passed, I believe that Bamber is innocent of those murders at WHF. He also took the test and passed. What I would like to see is for Julie Mugford to consent to take the same test.





Hear, hear, Lugg!

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Re: Jeremy Bamber: the Prelude, the Tragedy and the Aftermath
« Reply #313 on: February 03, 2013, 08:37:PM »
Hello April, thats the point im making , in the case of Jeremy he did not see £££signs in JM perhaps he had not encountered anyone like her before, a clue is in their early days while both at S Joes working just had to happen, today jeremy was a fool even to gullable when you play with the devil the devil mostly wins.


I think you're right Mertol. The circle of Jeremy's peer group didn't contain girls like Julie and I think she must have stood out as being very different. He must have been blinded by her.

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Re: Jeremy Bamber: the Prelude, the Tragedy and the Aftermath
« Reply #314 on: February 03, 2013, 08:38:PM »
Steve likes what he reads and all of us are enriched by his almost daily  quotes from books, however is steve aware he is easily blinded by what considered the truth, even steve can make a mistake , i very much doubt he knows JM that well, in her eyes i saw £££signs nothing more.


You're so right,Mertol.