Jeremy Bamber: the Prelude, the Tragedy and the Aftermath

[Caroline R]

Well she had ample time to find out what Jeremy was really like didn't she? Steve my advice is that you listen to the women of this forum. They can see through other women when men are foolishly taken in by them.

Well said Lugg! Julie is more blatant than most and I'm sure the other women will agree!!

[Caroline R]

Liz Rimington went to Police and told them Julie was withholding information in the Bamber investigation. Julie did not directly contact them. I thought Julie was attracted to Jeremy physically before she found about about his expectations. In any case she dismissed June's offer of a flat for them both on condition they moved out of the village.

I bet Julie almost shat herself when she found out Liz had gone to the police! Had to think on her feet then didn't she? Obviously she turned down the flat, JB had a house and she couldn't be seen to admit to being a 'gold digger' so soon!

[Steve_uk]

Well she had ample time to find out what Jeremy was really like didn't she? Steve my advice is that you listen to the women of this forum. They can see through other women when men are foolishly taken in by them.

Jeremy was a practical joker who had an uncanny knack of making the women he took a fancy to feel special. Why do you think Jimmy Saville and allegedly Stuart Hall and all the rest got away with what they did for so long? I cannot blame a 19 year old girl for not taking her boyfriend seriously that he was going to exterminate five members of his family. In the immediate aftermath Julie had two offences hanging over her as well as wondering whether she would be believed if she went to Police,as the official verdict by DCI Taff Jones (who must ex cathedra have intimidated her somewhat) was four murders and a suicide and who was she,a Northerner and an outsider to gainsay?

[mertol22]

Caroline she would soon have found out what the real Jeremy Bamber was like as he dumped her for a younger model at the earliest opportunity..

I dont see this as a concern, he could have 10 girlfriends a month as far as im concerned , what happened to the freedom of choice, he was single , no kids , no baggage what is wrong with that.

[Lugg]

I bet Julie almost shat herself when she found out Liz had gone to the police! Had to think on her feet then didn't she? Obviously she turned down the flat, JB had a house and she couldn't be seen to admit to being a 'gold digger' so soon!

Even June saw through these women and the bad influence they were having on Jeremy.

[maggie]

Well said Lugg! Julie is more blatant than most and I'm sure the other women will agree!!

Yes Caroline/Lugg.  I think women are more likely to be understanding of a younger women going through the sort of emotional stuff we've all experienced, eventhough this is a bit more extreme.  It's interesting that none of us support Julie.  We all recognise this is not the behaviour of a stable loving woman.....this is something else. 
The problem is, it's really all about Julie, but if he did kill the family it should have been all about saving them, those little boys.  It doesn't make sense steve.  If Jeremy was talking of killing those little boys who she apparently read bedtime stories to and put to bed how could she ever, ever ignore those threats, it doesn't ring true. It just wouldn't happen unless she was as bad as him and hoping for the money.....that is the only explanation imo

[Steve_uk]

I dont see this as a concern, he could have 10 girlfriends a month as far as im concerned , what happened to the freedom of choice, he was single , no kids , no baggage what is wrong with that.

Nothing really mertol,just it's symptomatic of Jeremy Bamber not thinking clearly about future events. I read today somewhere Jeremy contracted a sexual disease due to his promiscuity,which I am sorry about. I'm sorry about his incarceration in Long Sutton where I'm not sure he's getting the rehabilitation he needs. My views are well known on this subject.

What I am not sorry about and which there can be no excuses for is killing five people who were not blood relations,and causing havoc and uncertainty for the remaining relatives as they experience the heat from Jeremy supporters who continue to clamour for Jeremy's release.

[Steve_uk]

Even June saw through these women and the bad influence they were having on Jeremy.

I'm not sure any girl in June's mind would have been good enough for Jeremy.

[maggie]

Jeremy was a practical joker who had an uncanny knack of making the women he took a fancy to feel special. Why do you think Jimmy Saville and allegedly Stuart Hall and all the rest got away with what they did for so long? I cannot blame a 19 year old girl for not taking her boyfriend seriously that he was going to exterminate five members of his family. In the immediate aftermath Julie had two offences hanging over her as well as wondering whether she would be believed if she went to Police,as the official verdict by DCI Taff Jones (who must ex cathedra have intimidated her somewhat) was four murders and a suicide and who was she,a Northerner and an outsider to gainsay?

I don't get that Steve 'a Northerner', what are you talking about, she was a well educated woman, one would expect her communication skills to be good.  We are not all morons north of Watford whatever some say.

[Caroline R]

Jeremy was a practical joker who had an uncanny knack of making the women he took a fancy to feel special. Why do you think Jimmy Saville and allegedly Stuart Hall and all the rest got away with what they did for so long? I cannot blame a 19 year old girl for not taking her boyfriend seriously that he was going to exterminate five members of his family. In the immediate aftermath Julie had two offences hanging over her as well as wondering whether she would be believed if she went to Police,as the official verdict by DCI Taff Jones (who must ex cathedra have intimidated her somewhat) was four murders and a suicide and who was she,a Northerner and an outsider to gainsay?

What the hell has beings Northerner got to do with it!!!!!! AND Predators are charming but not ALL charming people are predators!! Julie got dumped and she couldn't handle it!

[Steve_uk]

Yes Caroline/Lugg.  I think women are more likely to be understanding of a younger women going through the sort of emotional stuff we've all experienced, eventhough this is a bit more extreme.  It's interesting that none of us support Julie.  We all recognise this is not the behaviour of a stable loving woman.....this is something else. 
The problem is, it's really all about Julie, but if he did kill the family it should have been all about saving them, those little boys.  It doesn't make sense steve.  If Jeremy was talking of killing those little boys who she apparently read bedtime stories to and put to bed how could she ever, ever ignore those threats, it doesn't ring true. It just wouldn't happen unless she was as bad as him and hoping for the money.....that is the only explanation imo

I think Julie thought this was all in his head,a phase he would grow out of. And he nearly did. The first telephone call to Julie was the "tonight's the night..it's now or never" call,and it very nearly was "never". This is the tragedy of the Jeremy Bamber story,that a man has thrown away his life even if he's released tomorrow he can never get the best years of his life back.

[Caroline R]

I think Julie thought this was all in his head,a phase he would grow out of. And he nearly did. The first telephone call to Julie was the "tonight's the night..it's now or never" call,and it very nearly was "never". This is the tragedy of the Jeremy Bamber story,that a man has thrown away his life even if he's released tomorrow he can never get the best years of his life back.

And so much more of a tragedy if an innocent man lost those years even partly because of a woman scorned!!

[maggie]

Nothing really mertol,just it's symptomatic of Jeremy Bamber not thinking clearly about future events. I read today somewhere Jeremy contracted a sexual disease due to his promiscuity,which I am sorry about. I'm sorry about his incarceration in Long Sutton where I'm not sure he's getting the rehabilitation he needs. My views are well known on this subject.

What I am not sorry about and which there can be no excuses for is killing five people who were not blood relations,and causing havoc and uncertainty for the remaining relatives as they experience the heat from Jeremy supporters who continue to clamour for Jeremy's release.

Why is the fact they weren't blood relations of any significance,  steve.  That' a real insult to a lot of people both parents and children. Would it have been a lesser crime if Sheila and Jeremy had been natural children?

[Steve_uk]

I don't get that Steve 'a Northerner', what are you talking about, she was a well educated woman, one would expect her communication skills to be good.  We are not all morons north of Watford whatever some say.

She knew her own abilities to be sure and must have realized she was of above average intelligence but I think Julie was trying to "fit in" and "go with the flow" when she moved to Colchester. It was this mentality which led to tragedy as she went along with Jeremy,who admittedly must have seemed a good catch for her. However I can't subscribe to the view that she was out for all she could get and turned a blind eye to Jeremy's criminal intent;I think she was just naive. Her hard work career-wise and for charity in Canada is testament to the real character of Julie.

[Steve_uk]

Why is the fact they weren't blood relations of any significance,  steve.  That' a real insult to a lot of people both parents and children. Would it have been a lesser crime if Sheila and Jeremy had been natural children?

It was easier for Jeremy to rationalize their destruction because they were that much more remote from him. As Liz Rimington said the real motive for the murders was money,but Jeremy fell back on the excuse that he was doing everyone a favour by getting rid of them all.