Jeremy Bamber: the Prelude, the Tragedy and the Aftermath

[lookout]

There is a song by Shirley Bassey. "For Every Man There's a Woman" but I can't find one...it appears banned...

Banned.? Goodness me. For every pot there's a lid.

[Patti]

Banned.? Goodness me. For every pot there's a lid.

Hahahaha You crack me up!  :D :D :D :D

[lookout]

Hahahaha You crack me up!  :D :D :D :D

I'm an old romantic,Patti. In my own way,,,with comical overtones thrown in for good measure.

[Steve_uk]

Romeo,Romeo,wherefore art thou Juliet..

Whether Jeremy Bamber was a Romeo or not,and there is evidence that he was a promiscuous man,does not have a direct bearing upon the case,apart from making him feel possibly that he could control Julie after the murders and excite in him a feeling of over-confidence which led to his downfall. One could,of course,discuss the case without Julie's evidence were one to take the view that it was tainted,but in my view her evidence if not the mainstay,was certainly the icing on the cake to the Prosecution.

However one of the many layers in this mysterious case is the role of the biological parents of Jeremy Bamber,who appear to have abandoned him to his fate at twelve weeks in March 1961,then shortly afterwards remarried and had more children of their own. Major Leslie Marsham married Juliet Wheeler,the daughter of a company executive shortly after they gave the illegitimate Jeremy away,and kept in touch with Nevill and June for four years. June told both Jeremy and Sheila early on in her way of expressing things that "they had not grown out of mummy's tummy but had been chosen". Jeremy seems to have accepted this with equanimity;Sheila on the other hand was always the more sensitive of the two and this may have harboured insecurities in her as she grew up,as well as putting her somewhat apart from her adoptive parents in her own mind.

We know from media reports that Jeremy's natural father wants no more contact with his birth son,he accepts the guilty verdict wholeheartedly and believes that his son grew up with the best of chances and has thrown his life away. However there is a deafening silence from the birth mother Juliet,who suckled her son to her breast in those cold Winter months of early 1961,and must have formed some kind of bond with her baby whether unwitting or not. Did she give up her baby willingly or under duress,was Juliet's maternal instinct fulfilled by the rest of her children she sired with her now husband,or does she sometimes cast a wistful eye in the direction of North Yorkshire whenever a news story emerges,does she ever shed a tear about what might have been,or is she so under the power of her husband that she meekly accepts his judgement that the break was made and no further contact can be fostered nor is there nothing to be gained by the birth parents ever seeing their son again?

http://www.thefreelibrary.com/He+went+to+lovely+people+who+gave+him+the+best+start+in+life.+He...-a0112751004

[susan]

Hello steve  just read your descriptive post and wonder if Jeremy Bamber wanted control of Julie to excite him why did he dump her.  May I ask about Jeremy's birth Mother I have read she was the 16 year old daughter of a Vicar possible some part of Scotland. It would not be normal IMO for a Mother not to think of her son from time to time more than a Father actually as Jeremy was part of her and always will be and sometimes she must feel very sad the way his life has turned out.

[Jane]

Susan/Steve, hello both of you. Susan, you MAY be speaking of Sheila's birth mother. I seem to recall that there were several clerics, including a vicar in Tiptree, in Sheila's family.

Steve you may rest assured that how ever many babies subsequently filled the arms of Jeremy's birth mother, there is always likely to be an aching emptiness and a longing, left by and for, the child she gave up. I wonder, too, how many times since 1985, she has asked "What if.........."

[maggie]

Hello steve  just read your descriptive post and wonder if Jeremy Bamber wanted control of Julie to excite him why did he dump her.  May I ask about Jeremy's birth Mother I have read she was the 16 year old daughter of a Vicar possible some part of Scotland. It would not be normal IMO for a Mother not to think of her son from time to time more than a Father actually as Jeremy was part of her and always will be and sometimes she must feel very sad the way his life has turned out.

I agree Susie/April how could a mother not think of her child and hope that child was having a happy life. I wonder what it must be like in the quiet hours of the night for JBs mother. She may not admit it but she must wonder what the truth is....we shouldnt judge her, she may not feel she has a choice. Imo

[Steve_uk]

Hello steve  just read your descriptive post and wonder if Jeremy Bamber wanted control of Julie to excite him why did he dump her.  May I ask about Jeremy's birth Mother I have read she was the 16 year old daughter of a Vicar possible some part of Scotland. It would not be normal IMO for a Mother not to think of her son from time to time more than a Father actually as Jeremy was part of her and always will be and sometimes she must feel very sad the way his life has turned out.

Didn't Leslie Marsham give his address as St. Kilda so there's a Scottish connection somewhere. As for Jeremy,I think he thought that he could control good-old-reliable-Julie and told her he had put his life in her hands. He gave her his last pay cheque of £400 which Julie described as "paying her off",but didn't he ask her to stay on at Goldhanger and he also helped move her furniture to a flat in Hither Green,so it wasn't  as straightforward as a clean break until Julie's friends more or less forced her hand in going to Police.

[Jane]

Didn't Leslie Marsham give his address as St. Kilda so there's a Scottish connection somewhere. As for Jeremy,I think he thought that he could control good-old-reliable-Julie and told her he had put his life in her hands. He gave her his last pay cheque of £400 which Julie described as "paying her off",but didn't he ask her to stay on at Goldhanger and he also helped move her furniture to a flat in Hither Green,so it wasn't  as straightforward as a clean break until Julie's friends more or less forced her hand in going to Police.

By golly, that girl certainly had her eye on the main chance whenitr came to finance, didn't she. If we start to tot it up, I wonder just how much money she managed to extract from Jeremy during their time together. She may have described the £400 as a "pay off" but clearly didn't feel insulted enough to turn it down. Wasn't there also several hundred pounds for a holiday, all those weekends away, the outfit for the funeral and let's be honest, she was still raking it in, courtesy of Jeremy, after she's been dumped, via the NOTW.

[Caroline R]

By golly, that girl certainly had her eye on the main chance whenitr came to finance, didn't she. If we start to tot it up, I wonder just how much money she managed to extract from Jeremy during their time together. She may have described the £400 as a "pay off" but clearly didn't feel insulted enough to turn it down. Wasn't there also several hundred pounds for a holiday, all those weekends away, the outfit for the funeral and let's be honest, she was still raking it in, courtesy of Jeremy, after she's been dumped, via the NOTW.

Nice one April!! 

[Steve_uk]

By golly, that girl certainly had her eye on the main chance whenitr came to finance, didn't she. If we start to tot it up, I wonder just how much money she managed to extract from Jeremy during their time together. She may have described the £400 as a "pay off" but clearly didn't feel insulted enough to turn it down. Wasn't there also several hundred pounds for a holiday, all those weekends away, the outfit for the funeral and let's be honest, she was still raking it in, courtesy of Jeremy, after she's been dumped, via the NOTW.

Sometimes it offends the giver if cash is turned down. She met Jeremy in November 1983 and started a relationship soon afterwards,turned down the offer of a flat from June and stuck by Jeremy until September 1985 so you can hardly call their relationship a mild fling.

[lookout]

Sometimes it offends the giver if cash is turned down. She met Jeremy in November 1983 and started a relationship soon afterwards,turned down the offer of a flat from June and stuck by Jeremy until September 1985 so you can hardly call their relationship a mild fling.

C'mon,Steve,,,she was " in it " to see what she could get out of it. A gold-digger who proved her point when she started to steal,,,she wanted more.

[Steve_uk]

C'mon,Steve,,,she was " in it " to see what she could get out of it. A gold-digger who proved her point when she started to steal,,,she wanted more.

She did the cheque fraud to ingratiate herself with Jeremy,she dealt in cannabis at Goldsmiths to increase Jeremy's income and she had misgivings about the Osea Road robbery but again was easy prey for Jeremy.

[lookout]

She did the cheque fraud to ingratiate herself with Jeremy,she dealt in cannabis at Goldsmiths to increase Jeremy's income and she had misgivings about the Osea Road robbery but again was easy prey for Jeremy.

6 of one and half a dozen of the other,Steve.

[maggie]

She did the cheque fraud to ingratiate herself with Jeremy,she dealt in cannabis at Goldsmiths to increase Jeremy's income and she had misgivings about the Osea Road robbery but again was easy prey for Jeremy.

Steve Unless you know in a more personal capacity I have to say thats twaddle. You argue that the wonderful julie was soooo intelligent ....well if she behaved as you say she did she was a fool amongst other thi.gs
.Far more likely she was a a thief in her own right,  She chose what she did you cannot blame jeremy for the rest of the company she kept.