The abusive remarks towards Jeremy Bamber

[Lugg]

Well they are a regular thing aren't they? He is bad mouthed at every opportunity by the guilty party. You are all familiar with these terms I am sure. He is a "liar" or "effeminate" or a "druggy" or "vain" or he is "greedy" and of course we are reminded at every opportunity that he is a "child killer". Oh that is bound to enflame every decent sort in the country. In fact according to these people he didn't have a good bone in his body.

We on the forum of course have to receive all this abusive language that is carefully calculated to make sure that no one should be tempted to defend this man. And of course if any do happen to see a miscarriage of justice in this case we are termed simple minded or halfwits and even child murderer lovers. In any case those of us who try to point out where the law has gone wrong are made to feel that we are liars and deceivers and even hypocrites if we seek to point out various anomalies in the case.

We of course dare not even tread near the halos of the relatives. We are never to question their integrity or honesty. If we dare to say anything at all against them we are firmly reminded that such disgraceful and abominable behaviour is off limits because they are protected by the golden throne of common decency. We are also told quite firmly that we we are hypocritical if we dare to express any kind of doubt against their good name. So beware if you intend to tread on their platform of personal piety or transgress those holy Templars who guard the relatives with their lives, never doubting that they too are perhaps being used? For to do so you will surely be made to think that you have the darkest heart in all mankind.

Now looking at this logically don't you think these terms are a little unfair? If of course you would like to see a full blown tyrade of abuse you can go over to the euphemistically termed "red" forum where you will be able to sample the delicacies of abuse not only towards Jeremy Bamber. But also towards his defenders and supporters. Sit down over there and enjoy the good company of some of the worst internet abusers and the sweetmeats of the most miserable psychopathic offenders you may find anywhere in the world. Go ahead. Eat and drink with them and enjoy. But be warned. You are what you eat as we are reminded by some of the greatest food Connoisseurs in the world.

We my friends are meant to take all this and Jeremy is supposed to endure all these lies that are levelled against him because the law says so. Yes this "law" that we are meant to acknowledge just because of a cunning prosecuting counsel who witheld thousands of bits of evidence and a biased judge's summing up and because 10 people say he is guilty. We as honest trusting citizens are supposed to knuckle under and not question this "law" even if this law be considered "unjust" as many lawyers think it is. But because this "law" says it is so, many sheep will support this organisation that is riddled with corruption and deceit and trust its decisions ignorantly to the grave.

So can I propose that in view of the fact that we are supposed to say nothing against the relatives. For to do so is to be accused as hypocrites and liars and/or stupid, because we are "ignorant" people who do not understand the intricacies of tax avoidance amongst the farming community. That if this is to be so, then any abuse against Bamber cease as well. For no one in the world could be that bad as some say he is. The things levelled against him are bordering on the rediculous and quite frankly is becoming laughable and almost of comic book proportions.

[campion]

  Lugg,  I trust I may speak on behalf of many members of this Forum.
  Your post is comparatively mild, but so utterly apt.

[lookout]

My word,Lugg,,,that was brilliant and very well put. I wholeheartedly agree with what you've posted. I know my name is mud, on other boards, for supporting a " murderer ",a " child-murderer " at that,,,but I stand firmly by the fact that he had the most unfair trial that this country has seen,,,leading to what will be one of the worst miscarriages of justice that the country will ever see too. You can mark my words on that. I actually care little of what anyone thinks really,,as sometime,in the not too distant future,,it will,as Neville used to say,,all come out in the wash,,,along with all the lies that have been told about Jeremy. I can't wait for that day.

My first words back in 1985,,which I remember vividly,,,were that he didn't do it. I know in my mind,,without spending pounds on books,which are only written after any event anyway.  I've always said that if all else fails,write a book.
 

[andrea]

They couldnt write a book before the event, unless it was ali bongo!

[lookout]

They couldnt write a book before the event, unless it was ali bongo!

C'mon,Andrea,,you can do better than that.

[andrea]

C'mon,Andrea,,you can do better than that.

It was a joke!

[Lugg]

It was a joke!

Yes I got it Andrea. Ali bongo was a joke and didn't help things much I agree.

[campion]

  If it is appropriate to say it for a 3rd time - Ali Bongo.
  Let them wallow in the realms of their self delusions.

[Lugg]

  If it is appropriate to say it for a 3rd time - Ali Bongo.
  Let them wallow in the realms of their self delusions.

Personally I think all this abuse against Bamber is almost psychopathic in nature?

[vidvic]

If you want to have a serious debate about your post then I'm quite happy to Grahame.

[lookout]

Personally I think all this abuse against Bamber is almost psychopathic in nature?

I've thought that for a long time,Lugg,,,particularly when I get abuse thrown in for good measure.

[Lugg]

If you want to have a serious debate about your post then I'm quite happy to Grahame.

That is up to you Vic. It is mainly for the enlightening of the forum to let them know what is really happening here. Let's admit it, you weren't even around when this tragedy took place and you only know what the relatives want you to know. As far as I am concerned the onus is on you whether you would like a "serious" debate or one based purely upon the hearsay of the relatives of whom you it appears are their willing and obedient mouthpiece.

[Lugg]

It is,I'm afraid,,a psychopathic trait. Trouble is Lugg,,it rubs off.

That was one point of my post. The trouble is those to whom it rubs off cannot see it.

[lookout]

That was one point of my post. The trouble is those to whom it rubs off cannot see it.

Sorry,I must have overlooked that bit.Don't mean to usurp your fine posts...but I so agree with you.

[vidvic]

That is up to you Vic. It is mainly for the enlightening of the forum to let them know what is really happening here. Let's admit it, you weren't even around when this tragedy took place and you only know what the relatives want you to know. As far as I am concerned the onus is on you whether you would like a "serious" debate or one based purely upon the hearsay of the relatives of whom you it appears are their willing and obedient mouthpiece.

Well for a start I do not accept "what is really happening here" as being anymore than two sides of an argument. Mike Tesko wasn't 'around' when it happened either, nor were many people that argue for or against his guilt. I doubt you knew the family before and I doubt you have ever met anyone connected with the case since. So I believe that argument to be a poor one.

In your opening paragraph you list regular insults..."He is a "liar" or "effeminate" or a "druggy" or "vain" or he is "greedy" and of course we are reminded at every opportunity that he is a "child killer"

As I believe him guilty, naturally, I believe him to be a liar. Even without my belief in his guilt, there are incidents before conviction where he wasn't truthful. Only yesterday I highlighted a clear lie, that he told to Mike Tesko, there are others too, in his letters and statements to the press.
As I would never criticise anyones sexuality, this does not refer to me and I would not defend anyone who did. Yes, he did drugs, he did coke, but he also supplied. This for me takes him beyond simple adolecent experimentation. Why do people supply? To make money.
Why did a seemingly wealthy, good looking, young man, sell drugs for money? Because he was greedy.
Why does a wealthy, good looking, young man, sleep around? Why does he want a sports car? Holidays abroad? Highly fashionable gear? Probably vain? Who can blame him?! I'd have wanted the same.

In a parallel universe we find......