"I didn't mean to be horrible to Jeremy.."

[Roch]

Maybe someone could post it. I don't doubt the sincerity of the Bamber campaigners but have they reflected on all the evidence and not elicited the facts which only buttress their case?

If this was a planned crime, a crime devised weeks or months in advance to overpower four people and leave their corpses in situ turning the Farm into a charnel house of death, then that explains removing the sights from the gun and the removal of the master bedroom telephone, the only lifeline available to Nevill and June in extremis.

If this is a spur of the moment crime then we have to believe Sheila sustained a psychotic episode, was able within this episode to chamber the rifle, overpower all within, cut off a call from Nevill, remove all bloodstained clothing, change into a nightie and choose to lie down in the same room as her mother, the one person she despised above all others.

If we look at that final week we see several reports of Sheila not being "quite normal" or "all there" from a number of sources. House painter Michael Horsnell at Vaulty Manor noticed that Sheila walked stiffly, didn't speak, couldn't turn her head left or right and the only part of her body that moved was from the knees down. A corroboration of sorts is the Tiptree shopkeeper, Barry Parker, who described her as "vague and distant" with red lipstick smudged on her teeth. Was this really the same woman who suddenly regained all co-ordination and held the gun with such a grip as to outwit Nevill in the kitchen struggle?

Finally had this been a predetermined massacre Sheila would not have been so anxious about the visit that she asked two of her Maida Vale friends, Chloe and Tora, to accompany her.

Perhaps she was secretly hoping they would prevent her from doing anything.

http://www.petertatchellfoundation.org/jeremy-bamber-police-evidence-withheld-32-years/

[Jane]

He was asked how Sheila might react if she were told she might lose her children, It isn't something he offered and as we know, the ONLY source for the fostering conversation that evening, is Jeremy.

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=1204.0;attach=6208

Caroline, if we assume Dr Ferguson to be an intelligent and erudite man,we must understand that he would choose his words with care. It's therefore interesting -indeed, TELLING- to see that whilst he says Sheila could become "angry and vitriolic" nowhere does he suggest that she could resort to violence. Neither "angry" nor "vitriolic" translate as physical violence.

[buddy]

Caroline, if we assume Dr Ferguson to be an intelligent and erudite man,we must understand that he would choose his words with care. It's therefore interesting -indeed, TELLING- to see that whilst he says Sheila could become "angry and vitriolic" nowhere does he suggest that she could resort to violence. Neither "angry" nor "vitriolic" translate as physical violence.

Why are you asking for Carolines support in your assumptions?

[Jane]

Why are you asking for Carolines support in your assumptions?

I posted to Caroline because it was she who posted Dr Ferguson's words. A grasp of the English language enabled the conclusion I reached.

[Samson]

One word in that note described what Sheila would have done as regards removal of the children from her-----RESIST !

Yes.
She resisted in the strongest fashion. How does your prime minister not see this yet? She had years as home secretary to bury her head in the sand. You citizens should make the very strongest representations to this woman. That is where the buck stops, I repeat this because Rob Muldoon and David Lange were prime ministers and judicial interventionists when things were seriously wrong in New Zealand.

[lookout]

It's a fact that while Sheila was being treated at St Andrews,that not everything could have been honest,given the reputation that the place has.
This fact would have been to conceal that they had a patient,Sheila,whose care and treatment wasn't what it should have been and who'd gone on to murder her family.
It's certainly not the first time that someone has been imprisoned because of a dodgy doctor,professors/consultants alike have all told their lies on oath. Police lie regularly on oath. No conscience,just thoughts of promotion and their pension.

[Adam]

Yes.
She resisted in the strongest fashion. How does your prime minister not see this yet? She had years as home secretary to bury her head in the sand. You citizens should make the very strongest representations to this woman. That is where the buck stops, I repeat this because Rob Muldoon and David Lange were prime ministers and judicial interventionists when things were seriously wrong in New Zealand.

Sheila was on Haloperidol. So unable to put up any resistance.

This is supported by the WS's of Bamber & PB  which all referred to Sheila's zonked out state 5 hours before the massacre.

Roch's suggestion that Sheila was quiet because she was planning a massacre in her mind, has been dismissed.

[Steve_uk]

Yes.
She resisted in the strongest fashion. How does your prime minister not see this yet? She had years as home secretary to bury her head in the sand. You citizens should make the very strongest representations to this woman. That is where the buck stops, I repeat this because Rob Muldoon and David Lange were prime ministers and judicial interventionists when things were seriously wrong in New Zealand.

But there's no evidence that that was being suggested. Nevill and June wanted to see the twins before they went with Colin on a summer holiday to Norway, a place they had been before and which was greatly beneficial to them. Colin had care and control during the week anyhow, and Sheila made an effort at weekends for her children, who greatly prized these visits. True Nicholas and Daniel might have been knocked from pillar to post in the past, having been late for school and fostered out on occasion, but they had come on leaps and bounds under Colin's tutelage and possessed an inner resolve, philosophy and contentment which belied their years.

[Steve_uk]

Sheila was on Haloperidol. So unable to put up any resistance.

This is supported by the WS's of Bamber & PB  which all referred to Sheila's zonked out state 5 hours before the massacre.

Roch's suggestion that Sheila was quiet because she was planning a massacre in her mind, has been dismissed.

I just don't get it Adam. It smacks of clutching at straws.

[lookout]

Sheila had been given a cosh to keep her quiet when she was in hospital because they hadn't known how to handle her outbursts !! It wouldn't have mattered what they'd given her at the time so long as the staff didn't have to cope with her. Ferguson probably just breezed in,quickly looked around at his patients then went on to write reams of twaddle just to make him look important.

[buddy]

I posted to Caroline because it was she who posted Dr Ferguson's words. A grasp of the English language enabled the conclusion I reached.

As usual the guilters try to make out they have more of a grasp of English than others.
I have a grasp of English, but I expected such a stupid reply.

[lookout]

I have a grasp of dodgy doctors too !!

[lookout]

Of course the voice of authority is always going to win over some poor sod going blue in the face telling the truth !
Thank God people are now wising up.

[Jane]

As usual the guilters try to make out they have more of a grasp of English than others.
I have a grasp of English, but I expected such a stupid reply.

Why are you asking for Carolines support in your assumptions?

If your grasp of the English language is as good as you imply, it time you learned where -or not- apostrophes are appropriate.

[buddy]

If your grasp of the English language is as good as you imply, it time you learned where -or not- apostrophes are appropriate.

tch.