"I didn't mean to be horrible to Jeremy.."

[Roch]

Exactly so. We only have Jeremy's word for it that there was any kind of verbal altercation.

For verbal - Yes that is correct.

[Jane]

For verbal - Yes that is correct.

So we can't therefore, trust it to be true...................unless, of course, it was Jeremy who, in order to stir tension, said he was concerned about how the twins were being treated and it might be good idea if they lived closer so June and Nevill could see more of them? A bit of reverse psychology can work wonders.

[Steve_uk]

Well F.E. wasn't surprised June had been killed. 

Sheila's parents were either meant to be killed (either June individually or both); or they were killed as a direct result of intervention on their part during the incident (with there having been no intention to kill them at the outset).

Given Sheila was 'crazy' or 'berserk' etc. she was likely to be experiencing psychotic delusions.  Therefore  it is difficult to discern exactly what her thoughts or intentions were for June / Nevill.  It seems likely an argument had been brewing and occurring during the course of the night?  Or perhaps it was out of the blue?

Sadly, all the protagonists are dead - so we will never know exactly.

This doesn't explain why the sights were removed from the gun; neither does it answer the reason for the upstairs bedroom telephone to be removed and the rotary dial telephone hidden in a pile of magazines in the kitchen. The housekeeper Jean Boutell tested it after Jeremy told her it was faulty, only to find it was in perfect working order.

[Roch]

This doesn't explain why the sights were removed from the gun; neither does it answer the reason for the upstairs bedroom telephone to be removed and the rotary dial telephone hidden in a pile of magazines in the kitchen. The housekeeper Jean Boutell tested it after Jeremy told her it was faulty, only to find it was in perfect working order.

Hasn't the phone / magazine thing been proven to be a load of pap? (No offence meant Steve).  Regarding the sights - I do not know - though I have read something about them very recently in a letter.

[Jane]

This doesn't explain why the sights were removed from the gun; neither does it answer the reason for the upstairs bedroom telephone to be removed and the rotary dial telephone hidden in a pile of magazines in the kitchen. The housekeeper Jean Boutell tested it after Jeremy told her it was faulty, only to find it was in perfect working order.

Thank-you for reminding us of the wider picture and its preplanning, Steve.

[Steve_uk]

Hasn't the phone / magazine thing been proven to be a load of pap? (No offence meant Steve).  Regarding the sights - I do not know - though I have read something about them very recently in a letter.

I'd be interested to know about the sights. When the obfuscation is removed the bald fact remains that there was no lifeline in the master bedroom in the form of a telephone that morning.

[Roch]

Thank-you for reminding us of the wider picture and its preplanning, Steve.

I'd be interested to know about the sights. When the obfuscation is removed the bald fact remains that there was no lifeline in the master bedroom in the form of a telephone that morning.

Was Sheila totally incapable of any kind of pre-planning involving telephones?

[Steve_uk]

Was Sheila totally incapable of any kind of pre-planning involving telephones?

Did Sheila ever plan anything in her life?  In my opinion the whole Defence's case flies out of the window if she did not experience a psychotic episode on the Tuesday night or Wednesday morning.

[Roch]

Did Sheila ever plan anything in her life?  In my opinion the whole Defence's case flies out of the window if she did not experience a psychotic episode on the Tuesday night or Wednesday morning.

Whatever she was experiencing - I am of the opinion that the original evidence demonstrated her utmost determination in carrying it out.   

[lookout]

Did Sheila ever plan anything in her life?  In my opinion the whole Defence's case flies out of the window if she did not experience a psychotic episode on the Tuesday night or Wednesday morning.

Steve,Sheila had planned to do anything bar work as a secretary at WHF,something her mother had wished/hoped for her to do,so she certainly wasn't averse to inwardly planning her intentions at WHF.
Sheila did as Sheila wanted to do,from openly " larking around " in fields to putting her hand through plate glass. Nobody forced her to do those things.

[Roch]

So we can't therefore, trust it to be true...................unless, of course, it was Jeremy who, in order to stir tension, said he was concerned about how the twins were being treated and it might be good idea if they lived closer so June and Nevill could see more of them? A bit of reverse psychology can work wonders.

This doesn't really work when you factor in Colin Caffell's own concerns.  Besides, how could Jeremy have known at that time, that an interpretation or a misinterpretation on the part of Sheila, regarding her children's 'removal', could result in a catastrophic effect?

How would Jeremy have been able to work that out - to tell police - in order for police to believe that Sheila carried out the killings? 

Think about it.  How could this have been known by Jeremy - unless it was also known by Nevill and June?

What makes more sense - that it was known that any such suggestion could have a catastrophic effect - or that it was not known?

[Jane]

This doesn't really work when you factor in Colin Caffell's own concerns.  Besides, how could Jeremy have known at that time, that an interpretation or a misinterpretation on the part of Sheila, regarding her children's 'removal', could result in a catastrophic effect?

How would Jeremy have been able to work that out - to tell police - in order for police to believe that Sheila carried out the killings? 

Think about it.  How could this have been known by Jeremy - unless it was also known by Nevill and June?

What makes more sense - that it was known that any such suggestion could have a catastrophic effect - or that it was not known?

By possibly stirring things up, Jeremy may well have been hoping to bring about a violent family dynamic  that he could report later.

[Roch]

By possibly stirring things up, Jeremy may well have been hoping to bring about a violent family dynamic  that he could report later.

And you think this is a more likely explanation, than the other two family members unwittingly triggering a catastrophic effect from Sheila - which neither they nor Jeremy could have realised at the time?

[Jane]

And you think this is a more likely explanation, than the other two family members unwittingly triggering a catastrophic effect from Sheila - which neither they nor Jeremy could have realised at the time?

I'm saying that I don't altogether buy the story of how the alleged conversation came about, or even if it happened at all.

[Caroline]

This doesn't really work when you factor in Colin Caffell's own concerns.  Besides, how could Jeremy have known at that time, that an interpretation or a misinterpretation on the part of Sheila, regarding her children's 'removal', could result in a catastrophic effect?

How would Jeremy have been able to work that out - to tell police - in order for police to believe that Sheila carried out the killings? 

Think about it.  How could this have been known by Jeremy - unless it was also known by Nevill and June?

What makes more sense - that it was known that any such suggestion could have a catastrophic effect - or that it was not known?

He didn't know, but her doctor was basing his opinion on the known facts and one of those facts was Jeremy's claim that a discussion about having her children fostered took place before the murders. The suggestion didn't come from the doctor - it came from Jeremy. He was just trying to make sense of things.