"I didn't mean to be horrible to Jeremy.."

[lookout]

I read that Gilfoyle claims the diaries describe ONE previous suicide attempt. This is yet to be verified.
Gilfoyle was NOT at work when the body was found. He returned home, found the suicide note, immediately left the house (without first looking for her), went to his parents house and returned to the suicide scene with his father and another relative, who was either an ex, or serving police officer.
The witness evidence in this case is both overwhelming and damning.  Whether you choose to believe it is another matter.

Neil,,I also knew that the late wife wasn't squeaky clean. I can't really go into why,,,but it's what those diaries contained,,,and my knowledge of one of her past boyfriends.
I've always believed Eddie to be innocent. 

[Steve_uk]

"I didn't mean to be horrible to Jeremy"-these words written by Sheila in her journal in her last hours on earth and which sealed her fate will be etched indelibly on any serious studier of the White House Murder crimes. They suggest that the siblings had had a row on that Tuesday night, possibly as an embittered Jeremy had reminded her where the money for the maintenance of her London Maida Vale was coming from and how hard it was earned by him tilling the soil, for which he seemed to receive little appreciation from the company gathered around him. Nevill would castigate his heir for not putting in sufficient hours or getting his hands dirty, herein a covert reference to the rumours of a sexual deviance which Nevill endured on the occasions he supped at the Red Lion public house. June had long since refrained from tackling her son on any public or private matter, their uneasy modus vivendi resulting in the merest of pleasantries being exchanged in any random encounter at the Farm.

Yet looking back from the grim realities of a grey prison cell it is Sheila whom Jeremy has talked about most in terms which could most be construed as any shred of regret or remorse. Sheila was of an age where she was likely to be believed, and though in reality immature and harmless her remarks cut an already emotionally-damaged Jeremy. If only he had understood his sister or attempted to understand her illness just that little bit more, he would have been able to realize why June acted as she did in providing a cushion of support, which in no way detracted from June's love for him,nor could Sheila be culpable for lashing out at times at the people most dear to her,this being inherent in the nature of her illness.In the over-competitive environment in which Nevill placed Jeremy at Gresham's whilst only eight years old his father was planning ahead and doing what he felt was in the long-term interests of his son. Yet this only caused bitterness and alienation from both parents as the years progressed and engendered a feeling of hopelessness as Jeremy was ever outwitted by his smarter peers. Only now has Jeremy begun to realize what he had and what he has thrown away,which must make the passage of every day even more unbearable as he reflects on the heartfelt remorse Sheila expressed as a new year of confinement starts.

Are we really any further on..http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/5236651/Family-killer-Jeremy-Bamber-to-die-in-prison-after-losing-appeal.html

[Caroline]

Are we really any further on..http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/5236651/Family-killer-Jeremy-Bamber-to-die-in-prison-after-losing-appeal.html

I think we are - I certainly am.

[lookout]

Definitely Sheila's swansong whichever way you look at it. Her thoughts towards Jeremy,in the form of an apology,then the end when she'd stated at being " with her babies ".
Sheila wrote her feelings because she'd found it easier than speaking them.

[Steve_uk]

Definitely Sheila's swansong whichever way you look at it. Her thoughts towards Jeremy,in the form of an apology,then the end when she'd stated at being " with her babies ".
Sheila wrote her feelings because she'd found it easier than speaking them.

Those notes or that letter or whatever you call it is disconcerting. Are we any further on with it?

[lookout]

Those notes or that letter or whatever you call it is disconcerting. Are we any further on with it?

Not that I've heard as yet,but it's hopeful.

[JackiePreece]

I think the saddest thing about that letter is it only gives a slight insight into Jeremy and Sheila's relationship

I think they were closer than is generally posted on here and I like the fact that Sheila used to take her brother up to meet her model friend in London and in fact there are even examples of their closeness even weeks before the murders

How Jeremy handled Sheila's mental health problems is addressed by Jeremy himself.  He just didn't understand it and if he is in fact innocent I am sure he thinks he could have prevented the murders himself if he had realised how serious Sheila's mental health issues were

At 23 years of age would any of us been able to understand how serious Sheila condition was

[lookout]

Jackie,as I've already mentioned, a young Jeremy would not have known,nor even understood Sheila's " medical problems ",losing babies,then giving birth and the physical and mental changes that occur with these processes. How would he have been expected to have known ? Things like that were swept aside,let alone mentioned in the WHF household where June was concerned.

I'm sure had Jeremy have known of Sheila's plight,he'd have been the first one to have offered help to his sister. Afterall,wasn't it Jeremy who'd made sure his sister was safely taken home after a party ? I wonder how many times that happened ?

If there'd been any way of helping Sheila,I'm more than certain that Jeremy would have offered.
I too think they were as close as any ( blood ) brother and sister,in fact more so.

[Caroline]

Jackie,as I've already mentioned, a young Jeremy would not have known,nor even understood Sheila's " medical problems ",losing babies,then giving birth and the physical and mental changes that occur with these processes. How would he have been expected to have known ? Things like that were swept aside,let alone mentioned in the WHF household where June was concerned.

I'm sure had Jeremy have known of Sheila's plight,he'd have been the first one to have offered help to his sister. Afterall,wasn't it Jeremy who'd made sure his sister was safely taken home after a party ? I wonder how many times that happened ?

If there'd been any way of helping Sheila,I'm more than certain that Jeremy would have offered.
I too think they were as close as any ( blood ) brother and sister,in fact more so.

Which s why he just referred to her as 'a nutter'. He didn't need to understand her illness and the notion that they were close doesn't in any way match with what we know. Someone so close would certainly NOT have tried to sell semi-pornographic pictures of their dead sister.

[Stephanie]

Which s why he just referred to her as 'a nutter'. He didn't need to understand her illness and the notion that they were close doesn't in any way match with what we know. Someone so close would certainly NOT have tried to sell semi-pornographic pictures of their dead sister.

Has anyone noticed how Jeremy refers to many people as nutters, crazy, having a breakdown?

[lookout]

Has anyone noticed how Jeremy refers to many people as nutters, crazy, having a breakdown?

Because he was ignorant of such illnesses like a lot of people are today 30 years on.I've heard police describing their captors as nutters many a time.
A weak excuse towards a " killer " if ever I heard one.

[Stephanie]

I admit I don't know Jeremy,but---------------I could never envisage him as being the killer in any shape or form. Even reading the newspapers back in 1985 I'd made up my mind then that it wasn't him.

Because he was ignorant of such illnesses like a lot of people are today 30 years on.I've heard police describing their captors as nutters many a time.
A weak excuse towards a " killer " if ever I heard one.

Where is your evidence?

Didn't he claim to have watched a programme about miscarriages on the night of the murder?

[lookout]

Where is your evidence?

Didn't he claim to have watched a programme about miscarriages on the night of the murder?

My evidence lies with Sheila.
Miscarriages ? Of justice or a failed pregnancy ?

Whether it was either,what bearing does it have on his sudden knowledge of either through an hour ? long programme ? Or even his desire to start a killing spree ? 
Any old excuse will do at this stage,I suppose,whatever comes into your head.

[Stephanie]

My evidence lies with Sheila. What evidence? You never met her, ergo do not know her!
Miscarriages ? Of justice or a failed pregnancy ? Ask Jeremy

Whether it was either,what bearing does it have on his sudden knowledge of either through an hour ? long programme ? You do not know what knowledge he has on the subject matter, you are summising Or even his desire to start a killing spree ?  He had planned his killing spree, therefore the murders were pre-medidated
Any old excuse will do at this stage,I suppose,whatever comes into your head. Projection!

[Adam]

My evidence lies with Sheila.
Miscarriages ? Of justice or a failed pregnancy ?

Whether it was either,what bearing does it have on his sudden knowledge of either through an hour ? long programme ? Or even his desire to start a killing spree ? 
Any old excuse will do at this stage,I suppose,whatever comes into your head.

All the crime scene evidence shows Sheila did not commit the massacre.