Burn marks on Nevills back.

[Caroline R]

Caroline  I am very much inclinded to agree with you the hitman theory is just not feasible or people burning Ralphs back with a red hot poker to make him phone Jeremy.  Had hitmen would have to have been two of them wanted to dictate to Ralph what to do they would have had June next to him threatening her with a red hot poker.

I tend to agree!! Something odd happened and working out what caused the marks might help decipher what occurred but I just don't see how you could ever be 'sure'

[susan]

Hi Caroline  I feel the marks inflicted on Ralph's back were inflicted at death or near death.  I think it was a sadistic act of a person now in control.  ngb thinks it was to ascertain whether Ralph was dead or not but somehow I feel there was more to it than that. It was like an act of taunting other than torture.  We read of so many cases where a murderer marks his/her victim for a strange reason going on in their own head to do with their own mental state and what has driven them to commit such an horrendous crime. It is all conjecture I know but the burn marks were done for a reason. Have the burns marks ever been spoken about in the books written about Jeremy I have not read them I will need to ask steve if he ever comes back.  Or maybe I wont.   The note that was written and found upstairs had the figure 3 written 5 times what is it with this 3.

[Caroline R]

Hi Caroline  I feel the marks inflicted on Ralph's back were inflicted at death or near death.  I think it was a sadistic act of a person now in control.  ngb thinks it was to ascertain whether Ralph was dead or not but somehow I feel there was more to it than that. It was like an act of taunting other than torture.  We read of so many cases where a murderer marks his/her victim for a strange reason going on in their own head to do with their own mental state and what has driven them to commit such an horrendous crime. It is all conjecture I know but the burn marks were done for a reason. Have the burns marks ever been spoken about in the books written about Jeremy I have not read them I will need to ask steve if he ever comes back.  Or maybe I wont.   The note that was written and found upstairs had the figure 3 written 5 times what is it with this 3.

I have no idea where the marks came from or if they were inflicted on purpose. I tend not to agree that they are the result of a killers idiosyncrasies because no such marks were found on any of the other victims. It's probably not even possible to determine where they came from 

[susan]

Hi Caroline

Maybe the murderer only had these feelings of taunting or control towards Ralph in my opinion he is the key figure here.  Maybe the killer felt let down by him and was really hurting so in her/his mind was hurting back with the burn marks.  All going on in the persons head.  We will never know the answer all we can do is live with what we feel comfortable with   It is quite common for killers to mark their victims bodies after death with burns bite marks and so forth.  The burn marks on Ralph was an act of defiance.

[Patti]

Not had time to read the thread, on me last legs tonight.   

I found something out today and thought I would share it with you all.  I know many of you believe that the burn marks on Nevill's back came from the muzzle of the rifle, but we have to also consider that they may have come from elsewhere. 

No matter how we look at it the burn marks had to have come from something that had a heat source and the only heat source I can think of is the Aga its self, or something that had been heated from the Aga. 

3 burn marks may have a significance, some of you have even thought it came from a deeper form of whitchcraft.


Three cigarette/cigar bun marks are significant to the Asian community. It symbolises "My Crazy Life"  Normally the burns are made in triangle on the back of the hand, but many Asian men and women now place these burn marks higher up on their bodies, so not only their parents can't see, the public can't see them either.  It represents gangs, crime and god knows what what else, so it might be significant enough to consider this.....Impossible, or probable. 

[Caroline R]

Not had time to read the thread, on me last legs tonight.   

I found something out today and thought I would share it with you all.  I know many of you believe that the burn marks on Nevill's back came from the muzzle of the rifle, but we have to also consider that they may have come from elsewhere. 

No matter how we look at it the burn marks had to have come from something that had a heat source and the only heat source I can think of is the Aga its self, or something that had been heated from the Aga. 

3 burn marks may have a significance, some of you have even thought it came from a deeper form of whitchcraft.


Three cigarette/cigar bun marks are significant to the Asian community. It symbolises "My Crazy Life"  Normally the burns are made in triangle on the back of the hand, but many Asian men and women now place these burn marks higher up on their bodies, so not only their parents can't see, the public can't see them either.  It represents gangs, crime and god knows what what else, so it might be significant enough to consider this.....Impossible, or probable.

Personally, I think the burn marks are a big red fish of the herring variety!  :D

[Patti]

Personally, I think the burn marks are a big red fish of the herring variety!  :D

I could say that about the moderator. 

[Lugg]

Personally, I think the burn marks are a big red fish of the herring variety!  :D

I wonder if Ralph thought the same way when they were being inflicted on him?

[Caroline R]

I could say that about the moderator. 

That's a GREAT BIG pile of rotting fish!!

[campion]

  Patti,   Your post #51, will you confirm that you are indicating here, the fictitious sound moderator/ silencer jiggery pokery, which has been the subject of so much debate.
  I think your latest post clarifies this.

[Caroline R]

I wonder if Ralph thought the same way when they were being inflicted on him?

That's the point, you don't know that they where 'inflicted' on him or if he were even alive when they happened!

[Patti]

  Patti,   Your post #51, will you confirm that you are indicating here, the fictitious sound moderator/ silencer jiggery pokery, which has been the subject of so much debate.
  I think your latest post clarifies this.

Hi Campion, I talk in riddles! Sometimes only me knows where I am coming from at times. I think I ought to go and get an hobby! I seem to be losing it on here..lol 

[lookout]

That's the point, you don't know that they where 'inflicted' on him or if he were even alive when they happened!

When you think about it Caroline,,there wasn't that much blood where Neville was positioned,which makes me think that he was pretty much dead when the hail of bullets hit him. June was the only one who was saturated in blood,as even Sheila wasn't really. Which,to me,points to June doing the wandering, given the blood spots upstairs including those near the window where the " trick of the light " was seen.
There was a pool of blood where June had lain.

[Lundey]

  Hello Lundey, despite your SS pronouncement, in your ultimate phrase you are participating in debate.

Please explain what you mean by "SS pronouncement".

Thanks

Lundey

[lookout]

Please explain what you mean by "SS pronouncement".

Thanks

Lundey

Lolololol,he means did you click your heels on entry.?