Burn marks on Nevills back.

[Caroline R]

The top wound is black around the edge, pink in the middle and oval shaped.

The second is black in the middle and round.

The third is a faded version of second!

The top wound (to me) looks as though it was made by something different to the other two. The size and shape are completely different. I understand the argument that the skin might have been ruffled but I still don't see how that would cause a wound like that??

[Patti]

The top wound is black around the edge, pink in the middle and oval shaped.

The second is black in the middle and round.

The third is a faded version of second!

Do you think then, that the ferocity of the first burn was hotter than the 2nd and 3rd, thus giving the 1st wound a larger shape than the other two....

I am waffling on....I think its time to hit the sack....

Caroline I don't like things that stick out.....I'm frightened of them....

Night All 

[Lugg]

If these burns were applied to "living" tissue, then there would surely be a redness around the outside of each mark?

[HMEssex]

Do you think then, that the ferocity of the first burn was hotter than the 2nd and 3rd, thus giving the 1st wound a larger shape than the other two....I am waffling on....I think its time to hit the sack....

Caroline I don't like things that stick out.....I'm frightened of them....

Night All 

Nope! lol

[Patti]

If these burns were applied to "living" tissue, then there would surely be a redness around the outside of each mark?

Would it stay red after death Lugg?   

[HMEssex]

The top wound (to me) looks as though it was case by something different to the other two. The size and shape are completely different. I understand the argument that the skin might have been ruffled but I still don't see how that would cause a wound like that??

Just what I think.

[Lundey]

Hi everyone!  I just wanted to say that I personally do not think the test results will provide much information one way or the other.  I am quite certain that the cold, dead (for however many days) skin belonging to a pig of uncertain age will be rather different to the warm, softer skin of a man in his 60's - apart, possibly, of the general shape and size of the marks.   

[campion]

  Hello Lundey, despite your SS pronouncement, in your ultimate phrase you are participating in debate.

[lookout]

Top mark could be of a poker,used horizontally.? Nozzle of a heated hairdryer/roller.

[Caroline R]

Top mark could be of a poker,used horizontally.? Nozzle of a heated hairdryer/roller.

I have seen that shape before somewhere, I'm trying to thing where.

[Lugg]

Top mark could be of a poker,used horizontally.? Nozzle of a heated hairdryer/roller.

I suggest that the marks were not produced by a rifle end? Because it is not logical. I suggest that a poker is the obvious thing? Imagine Ralph being made to sit in the chair and to pick up the phone and call Jeremy. "Call Jeremy and tell him that Sheila has gone berserk with the gun". "No I won't". "Bert stick that poker in the fire". Removes poker from fire and applies it to Ralph's neck. "Do it now". "No I won't". Applies poker again with the threat of killing the others. Ralph complies. Well it's just as good a theory as any other?

[Jane]

I have seen that shape before somewhere, I'm trying to thing where.

The top mark looks rather like the imprint on a tissue after lipstick has been blotted.

[Jane]

I suggest that the marks were not produced by a rifle end? Because it is not logical. I suggest that a poker is the obvious thing? Imagine Ralph being made to sit in the chair and to pick up the phone and call Jeremy. "Call Jeremy and tell him that Sheila has gone berserk with the gun". "No I won't". "Bert stick that poker in the fire". Removes poker from fire and applies it to Ralph's neck. "Do it now". "No I won't". Applies poker again with the threat of killing the others. Ralph complies. Well it's just as good a theory as any other?

Indeed it is, Lugg

[Caroline R]

I suggest that the marks were not produced by a rifle end? Because it is not logical. I suggest that a poker is the obvious thing? Imagine Ralph being made to sit in the chair and to pick up the phone and call Jeremy. "Call Jeremy and tell him that Sheila has gone berserk with the gun". "No I won't". "Bert stick that poker in the fire". Removes poker from fire and applies it to Ralph's neck. "Do it now". "No I won't". Applies poker again with the threat of killing the others. Ralph complies. Well it's just as good a theory as any other?

Yes it is as good as any other (given as we don't know what happened) BUT why would 'someone' ask Ralf to call Jeremy? They would have no way of knowing if he would call the police? If they wanted Jeremy at the farm (presumably to end up as another victim) surely the message would have been simply to ask him to help with Sheila?? If there was a hit man (men) and they were planning on killing Jeremy too, why did they leave? And if they didn't leave, where did they go? This is why I don't believe there was anyone else involved.

[susan]

Caroline  I am very much inclinded to agree with you the hitman theory is just not feasible or people burning Ralphs back with a red hot poker to make him phone Jeremy.  Had hitmen would have to have been two of them wanted to dictate to Ralph what to do they would have had June next to him threatening her with a red hot poker.