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[Mrs Massie]

   Hello I'm Mrs Massie. Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you all. I probably won't post much here as I'm rather shy and anyway would'nt be knowledgeable enough about this case.
   My old hubby used to say ' You get what you deserve in this life' but I don't think he can have been right in this case.
   Why if this poor man was sentenced to 25 years was he not then released. Why would his term be increased to a whole life basis ?  Who makes this sort of decision and on what criteria ? It does seem very unfair based on what you all say. Does it mean the authorities know something we don't.
   Thanks.
   Mrs Massie

[susan]

Welcome Mrs Massie and seasonal greetings to you and your family

[maggie]

   Hello I'm Mrs Massie. Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you all. I probably won't post much here as I'm rather shy and anyway would'nt be knowledgeable enough about this case.
   My old hubby used to say ' You get what you deserve in this life' but I don't think he can have been right in this case.
   Why if this poor man was sentenced to 25 years was he not then released. Why would his term be increased to a whole life basis ?  Who makes this sort of decision and on what criteria ? It does seem very unfair based on what you all say. Does it mean the authorities know something we don't.
   Thanks.
   Mrs Massie

Hello Mrs Massie, how do you do??

[Caroline R]

Welcome to the board Mrs Massie and hope you had a great Christmas!! The crime was considered significantly vile enough for the whole life tariff to be applied due to the callousness involved in executing such a crime. Especially as Jeremy was not considered to be suffering from any mental illness and the fact that he continued to protest his innocence. The establishment don't like people to protest innocence, even if they are indeed 'innocent' - as I believe Jeremy to be!
The authorities may indeed know lots of things we don't know as they still have documents hidden away from public scrutiny under PII (Public Information Immunity). They may or may not have a significant bearing on the case but while they remain hidden, we will never know!

I hope you will post, everyone's opinion is valuable here and you may be able to offer a fresh outlook on things!!

You're welcome either way!! :D

Caroline.

[tyler]

Welcome to the forum Mrs Massie 
Hope you are having a wonderful Christmas!

[Patti]

Welcome to the forum Mrs Massie 

[killingeve]

Hi Mrs Massie

Welcome to the forum  .

[guest154]

Welcome.


Can I ask you, and forum members in general, if Bamber is guilty would you then support the whole life tarrif for the crimes committed?

[Patti]

Welcome.


Can I ask you, and forum members in general, if Bamber is guilty would you then support the whole life tarrif for the crimes committed?

That is a good question mat.  I would never support a whole life tariff, because I believe in human dignity to have the right to be farmed out somewhere other than a prison cell of which they have been incarcerated for most of their life. 

Anyone that takes the life of another should serve a minimum of 25 years.  I know each case is different, but we get child killers serving less than 14 years....Killers are being released all the time and no one talks about it....Mary Bell, The James Bulger killers ect........

I do believe that if they are a model prisoner, changed attitudes and shown extreme remorse for what they did then 30 to 40 years later they should be given the opportunity of being in an open prison...If they are old and infirm then I think they should be put into a nursing home. I feel that they should only be released if they are not threat to society.....Its a difficult one to answer.....

Hello by the way 

[andrea]

Welcome.


Can I ask you, and forum members in general, if Bamber is guilty would you then support the whole life tarrif for the crimes committed?

I support a whole life tarrif, some crimes are so terrible that the person who commited them should never be let out. Its called Justice.

[killingeve]

Welcome.


Can I ask you, and forum members in general, if Bamber is guilty would you then support the whole life tarrif for the crimes committed?

Hi Mat

Yes definitely.  I do not believe in capital punishment but I do believe in the whole life tarrif in some instances.  Such cases are thankfully rare but imo even those such as Rosemary West need to be viewed against her dysfunctional childhood/family and whether or not the perpetrator has some sort of personality disorder/mental illness and of course most importantly whether or not they are still a danger to society and are capable of rehabilitation.

With regard to JB he appears to have had a good life with his adoptive family.  His relationship with June might have been somewhat strained but not to the degree that it could be described as dysfunctional or harmful.  And no pscychologist has ever found any hint of mental illness/personality disorder so if there was some scientific evidence that could prove beyond reasonable doubt that JB was guilty I say throw away the key.  I'm sorry Mat but the three elements that JB was convicted on ie blood in silencer, phone calls and JM's testimony are nowhere near enough for me.

I would think it is rare for a person who grows up in a loving stable family home and without any personality disorder/mental illness to commit a violent crime of the type JB has been found guilty of, especially the shooting of two small boys in bed whilst sound asleep.  Most prisons are full of people from broken homes/care system/learning difficulties/mental illnesses/addiction to drink and drugs (I think  ) I'm sure JB stands out on the Cat A wing.

[guest154]

Interesting replies guys, thanks. It's something that has interested me for a while but I've never got around to asking it.

Hello, Patti. 

[Jane]

Hi Mat

Yes definitely.  I do not believe in capital punishment but I do believe in the whole life tarrif in some instances.  Such cases are thankfully rare but imo even those such as Rosemary West need to be viewed against her dysfunctional childhood/family and whether or not the perpetrator has some sort of personality disorder/mental illness and of course most importantly whether or not they are still a danger to society and are capable of rehabilitation.

With regard to JB he appears to have had a good life with his adoptive family.  His relationship with June might have been somewhat strained but not to the degree that it could be described as dysfunctional or harmful.  And no pscychologist has ever found any hint of mental illness/personality disorder so if there was some scientific evidence that could prove beyond reasonable doubt that JB was guilty I say throw away the key.  I'm sorry Mat but the three elements that JB was convicted on ie blood in silencer, phone calls and JM's testimony are nowhere near enough for me.

I would think it is rare for a person who grows up in a loving stable family home and without any personality disorder/mental illness to commit a violent crime of the type JB has been found guilty of, especially the shooting of two small boys in bed whilst sound asleep.  Most prisons are full of people from broken homes/care system/learning difficulties/mental illnesses/addiction to drink and drugs (I think  ) I'm sure JB stands out on the Cat A wing.

Mat, I support so much of what NaNu has said here that it's unnecessary for me to add anything more of my own

[susan]

Hello Mat  yes I support a whole life tarrif if the crime warrants it.

[Patti]

Interesting replies guys, thanks. It's something that has interested me for a while but I've never got around to asking it.

Hello, Patti. 

Is that a kiss or a snog...

what is your take on it.....I dare bet a cuddle that I already know... :D :D :D :D