'So and so, said so...' - thread

[tyler]

Simon Jones...you say you feel that SH's case is all about money,politics and reputations...well many of us feel the same regarding Jeremy's case.In all fairness,you have obviously been given the "official" story by EP. No disrespect,by why would they tell you the truth? If corruption is indeed involved in the JB case,many of them could face prison sentences themselves.

[susan]

Hi tyler I was very surprised when SimonJones said he thought Jeremy Bamber guilty because of the evidence presented to the Court.  I asked if he had come up with more evidence against Jeremy but no reply yet.  Think he is busy painting the ceiling.

[Caroline R]

Simon Jones...you say you feel that SH's case is all about money,politics and reputations...well many of us feel the same regarding Jeremy's case.In all fairness,you have obviously been given the "official" story by EP. No disrespect,by why would they tell you the truth? If corruption is indeed involved in the JB case,many of them could face prison sentences themselves.

I also don't understand why someone so convinced of his guilt would check out a board such as this? He was found guilty, he's locked up, case closed as far as the guilty argument goes?

[susan]

Caroline  my sentiments exactly and I remember when Mason Doyle was on the forum he made a remark very similar to yours and previous ones I have made.

[SIMONJONES]

Simon Jones...you say you feel that SH's case is all about money,politics and reputations...well many of us feel the same regarding Jeremy's case.In all fairness,you have obviously been given the "official" story by EP. No disrespect,by why would they tell you the truth? If corruption is indeed involved in the JB case,many of them could face prison sentences themselves.

Why would they tell me the truth?

Well, I grew up with some of them and I trust them on this.

I have to go by gut instinct that they are being honest about this.

I always said to people on here that these guys are contactable and pretty much all of them are prepared to speak about the case to this day. If people on this site want more information then there is nothing to stop them tracking these guys themselves.

[Jane]

Why would they tell me the truth?

Well, I grew up with some of them and I trust them on this.

I have to go by gut instinct that they are being honest about this.

I always said to people on here that these guys are contactable and pretty much all of them are prepared to speak about the case to this day. If people on this site want more information then there is nothing to stop them tracking these guys themselves.

Hello SJ, I hope you're having a wonderful Christmas, apart from painting a ceiling.

I can go along with much of what you say, however, I'm reminded of a story I was told when I was in college. One of my fellow students had two brothers. One day when he was nine, he and his brothers said goodbye to their mother and left for school as usual. They never saw her again, when they returned home, she had left. Their father being unable to cope, the three boys were put into care..............seperately. You may imagine that it had an appalling effect on all of them but my co-student eventually went into therapy and was encouraged to find his brothers and talk, for the first time, about the events of that terrible day and what it had done to them. They all took turns and each of them told a totally different story, but to each it had been as they had experienced it.

My late partners sons, who had turned sibling rivalry into an art form both told me exactly the same story regarding their childhood and how the other brother received all the attention and they(whoever was telling the story)had been ignored.

Whilst I'm not saying you've been lied to, I AM saying that the truth is often down to an individual's own experience of it.

[susan]

april  what an excellent post and very true.  Everyone relays a story as they see it and two are never the same after years and years.

[Alias]

Why would they tell me the truth?

Well, I grew up with some of them and I trust them on this.

I have to go by gut instinct that they are being honest about this.

I always said to people on here that these guys are contactable and pretty much all of them are prepared to speak about the case to this day. If people on this site want more information then there is nothing to stop them tracking these guys themselves.

Did you ask them why they destroyed all evidence in 1996 - in a not entirely legal manner, as I understand it? Just around the time when the DNA science was gaining ground and prisoners, especially in the USA at that time and in the years to come, were acquitted for crimes they had not a thing to do with. Some freed from Death Row.
If you haven´t, will you please ask them?

[campion]

  I met an ex- detective sergeant who had been in the Met, if he  was, or how did he know if fellow officers were masons?
  He gave me an interesting reply.
  It was:-  'They go into a huddle, and you just have to let them get on with it.'

[tyler]

Why would they tell me the truth?

Well, I grew up with some of them and I trust them on this.

I have to go by gut instinct that they are being honest about this.

I always said to people on here that these guys are contactable and pretty much all of them are prepared to speak about the case to this day. If people on this site want more information then there is nothing to stop them tracking these guys themselves.

Thanks for your reply.
Are you able to answer the following questions?

1) In his COLP interview,Hammersley broke down and said, "I didn't discover it".Do you know what he was referring to?

2) Do you know what the action "Officers report regarding shooting incident in the kitchen" refers to?

3) Can you confirm that there was an "active panic alarm" at whf at the time of the murders?

4) Can you tell us who had been threatening Nevill Bamber,prior to the murders?

[Steve_uk]

Hello SJ, I hope you're having a wonderful Christmas, apart from painting a ceiling.

I can go along with much of what you say, however, I'm reminded of a story I was told when I was in college. One of my fellow students had two brothers. One day when he was nine, he and his brothers said goodbye to their mother and left for school as usual. They never saw her again, when they returned home, she had left. Their father being unable to cope, the three boys were put into care..............seperately. You may imagine that it had an appalling effect on all of them but my co-student eventually went into therapy and was encouraged to find his brothers and talk, for the first time, about the events of that terrible day and what it had done to them. They all took turns and each of them told a totally different story, but to each it had been as they had experienced it.

My late partners sons, who had turned sibling rivalry into an art form both told me exactly the same story regarding their childhood and how the other brother received all the attention and they(whoever was telling the story)had been ignored.

Whilst I'm not saying you've been lied to, I AM saying that the truth is often down to an individual's own experience of it.

As coincidences have it I was reading about the case of William Bradford Bishop,who absconded after killing his three sons,his wife and wife's mother. There's always some twist in these mass murders but the more I think of Jeremy the more I blame the effects of cocaine which was the accelerant in the execution of an evil plan,the drug element in the Bishop murders being no different.http://youtu.be/ZOTEYUsXXDY?t=57s

As for Julie,how she must have suffered when her love was unrequited,and his feelings for her merely ignis fatuus,what anguish she must have experienced for six days in the witness box as she spoke from the heart,her propinquity to the defendant only exacerbating those tumultuous moments as she cast a sideways glance here and stole a look there in the rare unguarded moments. Julie discharged her civic duties by day,her private emotion being on anyone's part conjecture,acknowledging to herself that she possessed the knowledge which would mean a lifetime's incarceration for her love of two years;by night who knows what nightmares she experienced in the bedroom as she was bodily tossed on a buoyant yet unquiet sea of emotion,her solitude and isolation real as she pondered her future after all was said and done.In that locus she finally slipped the bond from the man who had made them both mutually fearful,and was finally exonerated from any guilt she had innerly harboured heretofore.

Julie would find requited love at last and elope to her sanctum with a man worth a thousand Jeremys as she settled amongst our Canadian cousins,to the ineffable relief of those like myself who believe that this woman deserved a fresh start in a place she could call her new home.

[SIMONJONES]

Thanks for your reply.
Are you able to answer the following questions?

1) In his COLP interview,Hammersley broke down and said, "I didn't discover it".Do you know what he was referring to?

2) Do you know what the action "Officers report regarding shooting incident in the kitchen" refers to?

3) Can you confirm that there was an "active panic alarm" at whf at the time of the murders?

4) Can you tell us who had been threatening Nevill Bamber,prior to the murders?

1. Don't know. 

2. Neville Bamber I should imagine.

3. Think so, yes.

4. A local parent.

[tyler]

Thank you again SJ/Sparks,for your answers.By the way,Tiernan Coyle's evidence was rejected at the COA in the SH case wasn't it?

[Jane]

As coincidences have it I was reading about the case of William Bradford Bishop,who absconded after killing his three sons,his wife and wife's mother. There's always some twist in these mass murders but the more I think of Jeremy the more I blame the effects of cocaine which was the accelerant in the execution of an evil plan,the drug element in the Bishop murders being no different.http://youtu.be/ZOTEYUsXXDY?t=57s

As for Julie,how she must have suffered when her love was unrequited,and his feelings for her merely ignis fatuus,what anguish she must have experienced for six days in the witness box as she spoke from the heart,her propinquity to the defendant only exacerbating those tumultuous moments as she cast a sideways glance here and stole a look there in the rare unguarded moments. Julie discharged her civic duties by day,her private emotion being on anyone's part conjecture,acknowledging to herself that she possessed the knowledge which would mean a lifetime's incarceration for her love of two years;by night who knows what nightmares she experienced in the bedroom as she was bodily tossed on a buoyant yet unquiet sea of emotion,her solitude and isolation real as she pondered her future after all was said and done.In that locus she finally slipped the bond from the man who had made them both mutually fearful,and was finally exonerated from any guilt she had innerly harboured heretofore.

Julie would find requited love at last and elope to her sanctum with a man worth a thousand Jeremys as she settled amongst our Canadian cousins,to the ineffable relief of those like myself who believe that this woman deserved a fresh start in a place she could call her new home.

Well done, Steve. You've excelled yourself. However, I'm uncertain about which catagory you've excelled yourself in.

[susan]

Morning april

I have just read steve's speech sorry post and I am overwhelmed with emotion infact I am quite speechless he writes with such feeling it pulls on the strings of my heart.