Nevill's Premonition?

[-Harters-]

Hi Yeltrah

As far as I can see, as per pm reports, it was only Sheila who received near contact or contact shots?

I will try to find where I read it, 7 to the twins, 4 to Nevill, 1 to June and 2 to Sheila were contact or close contact shots.

(Caveat: I'm going from memory here)

[Lugg]

I will try to find where I read it, 7 to the twins, 4 to Nevill, 1 to June and 2 to Sheila were contact or close contact shots.

(Caveat: I'm going from memory here)

If this was true. (1) that Sheila, Ralph and June all received contact shots and (2) the silencer that the relatives found had a mixture of all three victims bloods. If this be true, then I am satisfied in my own mind that because the relatives could never have forseen this mixture of bloods. Unless of course they physically placed all three bloods into the silencer? That the relatives did actually find the silencer and did not manufacture that piece of evidence.

[Patti]

I can't locate it at the moment, I actually think it was Fletcher who reports the shot distances rather that Vanezis.

Its in the general examination documents, I have it on somewhere. I will see If I can find it. 

[killingeve]

Its in the general examination documents, I have it on somewhere. I will see If I can find it. 

Hi Patti

(Hey Patti checked out that address and its just under 4 miles from Old Trafford.  What a result...it's in the genes  .  You're a star.  Thanks again.)

I only re-checked Vanezis pm reports but if you and Yeltrah are correct doesn't it beg the ? as to why no blood from the poor little twins was found especially given the number of shots?  Also why would Vanezis state that the shots to SC were near contact or contact but not state this for the other victims?

[Patti]

Hi Patti

(Hey Patti checked out that address and its just under 4 miles from Old Trafford.  What a result...it's in the genes  .  You're a star.  Thanks again.)

I only re-checked Vanezis pm reports but if you and Yeltrah are correct doesn't it beg the ? as to why no blood from the poor little twins was found especially given the number of shots?  Also why would Vanezis state that the shots to SC were near contact or contact but not state this for the other victims?

I was going to say what address, but I have just clicked. I have the original record if you want it.

I'm not saying that Fletcher does say contact shots, but if memory serves me right some are very close....the furthest away being two feet...could be yards. I have the doc on a memory stick and I am too shattered to get it out, plus I have several and don't know which one it is on......Its on here somewhere....I do wish someone would put docs in the archives...life would be lovely...

Those two truly lovely scrumptious darlings Caroline and April might help?   

[-Harters-]

Hi Patti

(Hey Patti checked out that address and its just under 4 miles from Old Trafford.  What a result...it's in the genes  .  You're a star.  Thanks again.)

I only re-checked Vanezis pm reports but if you and Yeltrah are correct doesn't it beg the ? as to why no blood from the poor little twins was found especially given the number of shots?  Also why would Vanezis state that the shots to SC were near contact or contact but not state this for the other victims?

There was another unidentifiable male blood detected, but not enough to group, it is suggested that this was from the twins.

[Patti]

There was another unidentifiable male blood detected, but not enough to group, it is suggested that this was from the twins.

The twins shared the same ABO as Nevill.  But I do remember reading something on the lines that, because the twins were upstairs in bed, then the blood had to be that of Nevill's....Not sure, where it was referring to....my guess it was on the stairs? 

[-Harters-]

The twins shared the same ABO as Nevill.  But I do remember reading something on the lines that, because the twins were upstairs in bed, then the blood had to be that of Nevill's....Not sure, where it was referring to....my guess it was on the stairs? 

Yes that was about the blood on the wallpaper on the stairs.

I still can't find the shot distances, am I going mad? You recall seeing them right? 

[Patti]

Yes that was about the blood on the wallpaper on the stairs.

I still can't find the shot distances, am I going mad? You recall seeing them right? 

Yes I do recall seeing them, I think you posted them, when I was doing the PV'S but, its not there I have just looked. I know I have it....but its ni nights time for me 

[-Harters-]

Yes I do recall seeing them, I think you posted them, when I was doing the PV'S but, its not there I have just looked. I know I have it....but its ni nights time for me 

Part timer. 

Okay, well night night. 

[campion]

 Susan, Back to the scenario of the burn marks on Nevill's back.
  I was always, as I am sure most readers were, of the view, that the said burn marks were in a horizontal line.
Was it not NGB, who broached the alternative, that the marks may well have been in a vertical line.
  If this were in fact the case, then the top burn mark, if made when Nevill's head was lolling down, then when his head was brought into the erect position, the circular burn mark would become an elLIPtical shape, as shewn in the crime scene photograph. I.e. the mark would have taken up a different shape, owing to the folding of the skin, at the nape of his neck.
  I trust SSusan, you will appreciate this, as they say in Pleshey -'It is surely grist to the Mill!!!!!    XXXX

[susan]

Hi campion  I always thought the burn marks wre made in a vertical line and I think Ralph's head would have dropped forward and all the burn marks would have been inflicted whilst in this position.  I think the burns marks would all be slightly different in shape as the temperature of the heat of the rifle dropped.  I think poor Ralph was dead or near death at this time

[Lugg]

Susan, Back to the scenario of the burn marks on Nevill's back.
  I was always, as I am sure most readers were, of the view, that the said burn marks were in a horizontal line.
Was it not NGB, who broached the alternative, that the marks may well have been in a vertical line.
  If this were in fact the case, then the top burn mark, if made when Nevill's head was lolling down, then when his head was brought into the erect position, the circular burn mark would become an elLIPtical shape, as shewn in the crime scene photograph. I.e. the mark would have taken up a different shape, owing to the folding of the skin, at the nape of his neck.
  I trust SSusan, you will appreciate this, as they say in Pleshey -'It is surely grist to the Mill!!!!!    XXXX

A good point campion. Pleshey? I didn't think there was enough people in Pleshey to say anything? :D

[Nickos]

Susan, Back to the scenario of the burn marks on Nevill's back.
  I was always, as I am sure most readers were, of the view, that the said burn marks were in a horizontal line.
Was it not NGB, who broached the alternative, that the marks may well have been in a vertical line.
  If this were in fact the case, then the top burn mark, if made when Nevill's head was lolling down, then when his head was brought into the erect position, the circular burn mark would become an elLIPtical shape, as shewn in the crime scene photograph. I.e. the mark would have taken up a different shape, owing to the folding of the skin, at the nape of his neck.
 

This is a diagram I produced some time ago in respect of the positioning of burn marks on Nevills back (and endorsed by ngb)

[-Harters-]

This is a diagram I produced some time ago in respect of the positioning of burn marks on Nevills back (and endorsed by ngb)

Do we think they are similar?