Nevill's Premonition?

[lookout]

Depending on whether the smell of death was there after the short time it took for Jeremy to kill them all and then remove himself from the premises.

Those dogs are  specially trained Steve.They can sniff out a body even if it's been buried,so it's no difficulty for them to follow the trail for ages after the event. It wouldn't matter how many articles of clothing were worn. 

[susan]

steve the dog is trained not to smell death but the residue from gunshots and washing does not remove this from a person immediately.Makes no difference if he had 10 jumpers on the dog would sniff around but showed no interest.  This is what I have read anyway on the forum.

[Lugg]

Hi steve if Jeremy's mind was on getting back to Goldhanger quickly for his clean up and roping Julie into his plan why waste time heating a rifle and burning three marks on Ralphs back one would think he wanted out of there as quick as possible. If he wanted to make sure Ralph was dead he could have given him another beating around the head would have been quicker than heating up the rifle. God rest your soul Ralph.

Yes Susan. We must keep reminding ourselves that these were real people and victims of a terrible tragedy. Or crime if Jeremy is indeed guilty?

[susan]

Hi Lugg I find at times I feel quite uncomfortable talking about these sad deaths as if I am somehow not being respectful to these innocent victims.

[lookout]

It's just such a pity that Neville wasn't as respected as he might have been. He reminded me a lot of my late pa-in-law,that's why I can relate to the family. Generous to a fault.

[campion]

  Susan, Can you tell us if there was a  gas poker available in the kitchen, and could it have caused the burn marks on Nevill's neck? Are the marks symbolic, or were they merely a source of persuasion?
  Talking about flowers ( Red Hot Pokers ), can Lugg? put up the symbolic picture, from the  Archive, of Nevill and June in front of the blooming roses?

[Bridget]

Hi Bridget  how do you think the light was broken.  Was something thrown and hit the light do you think.

I imagine it was someone wielding the rifle whilst clumping Neville with it.

Those dogs are  specially trained Steve.They can sniff out a body even if it's been buried,so it's no difficulty for them to follow the trail for ages after the event. It wouldn't matter how many articles of clothing were worn. 

As far as I know this wasn't a cadaver dog, it was trained to detect firearms or firearm residue. I don't think I've ever seen any evidence that the dog was ever tasked with sniffing Jeremy, and they are trained to only indicate the presence of residue when set to work.

[susan]

steve  it has been suggested that the burns were made to Ralph's back with the butt of a rifle heated in the solid fuel Aga.  The point that has to be addressed now did heating up the rifle affect the bluing process carried out on the rifle during manufacture.  Was the end of the rifle discoloured or not the only way we would know that is to be allowed to have the rifle examined which I believe is with EP in their Museum. Not likely.  I have done some research into the process of bluing and it would appear that the object has to be heated to a really high temperature for the metal to become discoloured but then again we don't know the heat of the Aga but as it was summertime the Aga would be set low.  I posted up during the week that many years ago I had the back of my hand burnt with a lit cigarette I remember the burn appeared very quickly and was quite deep not just a surface burn.  I still have a round white scar on my hand where the burn was inflicted.  This is why I feel the burn marks could have been done with a lit large cigar as the burns were much bigger looking than the one I have.  That is food for thought steve. We have to ask ourselves steve why were these burns inflicted was it a sadistic gesture or somekind of ritual with religious connotations.  The figure 3 is featured quite alot on the note found upstairs where the figure 3 is written 5 times the three burn marks.  Caroline came up with some valuable information regarding this but I will need for her to post it up when she is available.  In the meantime I would appreciate your thoughts on this subject.  I am assuming the Aga was solid fuel.

[Patti]

Steve is in demand lol 

I am still waiting for Steve to reply...to this:

Shelia's right ring fingerprint was found on the butt of the rifle.  No pictures exist of her touching this part of gun, yet her print was found on it, so she must have touched the butt end of the rifle.  How?  I feel like a parrot.... :D :D :D :D

Where on the police photograph's does it show you Sheila touching the butt end of the rifle?     

[susan]

Hi campion  I honestly think the three burn marks on Ralphs back were indeed symbolic.  Had they been put there to try and persuade Ralph to do something he would not have sat still whilst the rifle or whatever was being heated to burn him.  Symbolic and I now need you to work out what is the significance of the three as I said to steve it was written on the note upstairs 5 times.  If you are murdering your family for an inheritance you don't hang about heating up an instrument and burning your victims back.  Could it have been a cigar.  Don't know if they had gas at the farm but I think the burns were too regular in shape to have been done with a gas poker it does not take long to burn through the skin and end up with a bad burn don't try it take my word for it. With regard your red hot pokers I wont tell you where to stick them but don't spoil my beautiful Yorkshire White Roses. :)Yes he can put up the photo's of Ralph as I prefer to call him and June infront of my roses.

[susan]

Hi Patti better to be a parrot than a budgie like me twittering on and everyone ignoring me.

[susan]

Hello campion  not sure if you were serious about putting up a photo of Ralph and June with my roses but if you were, on reflection it would not be appropriate as I don't have their consent and it would be wrong of me to say yes and I would not feel comfortable with it.  Stick with the White Rose of Yorkshire my friend   wonder what you have done with your red hot pokers.

[lookout]

Hi campion  I honestly think the three burn marks on Ralphs back were indeed symbolic.  Had they been put there to try and persuade Ralph to do something he would not have sat still whilst the rifle or whatever was being heated to burn him.  Symbolic and I now need you to work out what is the significance of the three as I said to steve it was written on the note upstairs 5 times.  If you are murdering your family for an inheritance you don't hang about heating up an instrument and burning your victims back.  Could it have been a cigar.  Don't know if they had gas at the farm but I think the burns were too regular in shape to have been done with a gas poker it does not take long to burn through the skin and end up with a bad burn don't try it take my word for it. With regard your red hot pokers I wont tell you where to stick them but don't spoil my beautiful Yorkshire White Roses. :)Yes he can put up the photo's of Ralph as I prefer to call him and June infront of my roses.

The three burnmarks could have had a Christian meaning,Father,Son and Holy Spirit.

[susan]

Hi lookout  yes we did discuss that it was a Christian meaning.  It was a special day can't remember what but Caroline knows all about it and she will tell us when she comes on the forum.

[lookout]

Hi lookout  yes we did discuss that it was a Christian meaning.  It was a special day can't remember what but Caroline knows all about it and she will tell us when she comes on the forum.

Of course,Susan,I remember now.There could be an element of truth in it.