Nevill's Premonition?

[tyler]

  Stevie Wonder,  That is at least the 4th time you have claimed that Jeremy worked at the Little Chef along the A10. I SHALL TELL YOU ONLY ONCE, - the A10 is in Hertfordshire.
   Susan will put you on the naughty step, until you get it in your thick head it is indeed  alongside the A12.

lol 

[susan]

Hi tyler I have thought now for awhile that Ralph Bamber was near death when he was beaten.  A man of his statue would have been able to fight for his life had he not been injured.  He was a strong looking man contrary to what steve has posted that he was old and frail he was neither. I think he was sat in the chair where he was found and he was battered with the butt of the rifle and was totally helpless

[Steve_uk]

Steve,you keep telling us that Sheila knew nothing about guns,so how would she know it was loaded? And you also keep telling us that Jeremy wiped the rifle clean.If this was so,then how come there were still prints left on it? All other prints on the rifle were smudged was they not? Which is hardly surprising since goodness knows how many police officers handled the gun before it was fingerprinted!

Sheila had nothing to do with the murder weapon on the Tuesday evening or the following morning. DS Jones says there were no prints of Jeremy's there during his interrogation on Wednesday 11 September. This would corroborate Julie's statement. There were three further unidentified prints only along with one of Sheila's which is just not enough if all the Jeremy supporters' theories about wonderwoman Sheila during those last few hours are true.

[Lugg]

  Stevie Wonder,  That is at least the 4th time you have claimed that Jeremy worked at the Little Chef along the A10. I SHALL TELL YOU ONLY ONCE, - the A10 is in Hertfordshire.
   Susan will put you on the naughty step, until you get it in your thick head it is indeed  alongside the A12.

It is at Feering on the A12. If it is the same Little Chef?

[susan]

Hi tyler  I have not heard of cases where children are murdered for financial gain.  Children are often murdered because of sexual abuse or by the Mother who thinks she must protect them from evil or she is frightened they are going to be taken away.  In the case of Contract killing I don't think many would be willing to shoot two innocent little boys sleeping for any amount of money.  So where does this leave us I don't really know.

[Steve_uk]

Hi tyler I have thought now for awhile that Ralph Bamber was near death when he was beaten.  A man of his statue would have been able to fight for his life had he not been injured.  He was a strong looking man contrary to what steve has posted that he was old and frail he was neither. I think he was sat in the chair where he was found and he was battered with the butt of the rifle and was totally helpless

No because there were bloodstains at chest height on the wallpaper in the hallway suggesting that Jeremy shot him there as Nevill made his way downstairs to try and reach the kitchen telephone. More blood on the kitchen floor by the telephone but no blood on the kitchen telephone itself.

[Lugg]

Sheila had nothing to do with the murder weapon on the Tuesday evening or the following morning. DS Jones says there were no prints of Jeremy's there during his interrogation on Wednesday 11 September. This would corroborate Julie's statement. There were three further unidentified prints only along with one of Sheila's which is just not enough if all the Jeremy supporters' theories about wonderwoman Sheila during those last few hours are true.

Which of course messes up your other claim that Jeremy pressed her finger onto the rifle. You would think if he had done that he would have made sure it was entirely covered with her prints? Easy enough to do? So why didn't he do that?

[Bridget]

Hi Bridget.
I agree with you regarding Nevill's injuries.It does indeed appear as though the poor man fought hard for his life 
However,regarding the state of he kitchen,it has since been acknowledged that most of that mess had been made by the raid team.
In one of Ron Cook's statements (maybe to COLP)?,he admits that he doesn't actually believe that there was much of a struggle/fight at all.He believes that Nevill was already far too injured at that point.

I tend to agree with that, there is certainly confusion as to what part of the mess was caused by the raid team. There is still the broken light though.

[Steve_uk]

Which of course messes up your other claim that Jeremy pressed her finger onto the rifle. You would think if he had done that he would have made sure it was entirely covered with her prints? Easy enough to do? So why didn't he do that?

He panicked after the unexpected encounter with Nevill and the necessity of having to shoot Sheila twice.

[Lugg]

He panicked after the unexpected encounter with Nevill and the necessity of having to shoot Sheila twice.

That of course is only your opinion Steve and unfortunately a very weak explanation. He had plenty of time to do what he wanted to do. If he had time to imprint one fingerprint. He had time to plaster the whole gun with them.

[susan]

steve please tell me where in my post did I mention one word about where Ralph was shot and I said nothing at all about telephones.  I have been given to understand Ralph was shot on the landing and half way down the stairs and again in the kitchen.  I understand blood was found on the work surface near the phone in the kitchen.  If you as an individual were fearing for your life would you bother with phones with a panic button in the house.  I don't think so.

[susan]

Hi Bridget  I wonder how low was the light hanging down was it hit by the rifle as somebody was wielding it aiming at poor Ralph or was it very high up.  My light in my kitchen is low enough to give it a whack and break it.

[lookout]

Hi Bridget  I wonder how low was the light hanging down was it hit by the rifle as somebody was wielding it aiming at poor Ralph or was it very high up.  My light in my kitchen is low enough to give it a whack and break it.

Ceilings were/are pretty high in both Georgian and Victorian properties,Susan.

[Steve_uk]

That of course is only your opinion Steve and unfortunately a very weak explanation. He had plenty of time to do what he wanted to do. If he had time to imprint one fingerprint. He had time to plaster the whole gun with them.

After killing five people in cold blood his mind was on making the telephone call in the kitchen to his answerphone at Goldhanger,cycling back there unobserved and cleaning up,in addition to a pathetic attempt to rope Julie in as an accessory with the second telephone call,which the Defence have still not fully explained.

[tyler]

No because there were bloodstains at chest height on the wallpaper in the hallway suggesting that Jeremy shot him there as Nevill made his way downstairs to try and reach the kitchen telephone. More blood on the kitchen floor by the telephone but no blood on the kitchen telephone itself.

Aside from the kitchen,the twins room and the main bedroom,blood was found on the landing outside Sheilas bedroom,up the wallpaper on the staircase (this matched Nevills blood group) and on the door jam of the door leading to the kitchen.