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[Steve_uk]

Steve you are twisting my words totally and you know what I have said about Jeremy's eyes a million times but you just disregard it and quote a woman who has NO idea of the effect of drugs on someone's eyes, except she probably read it in the Daily Mail.  I am curious what drugs you surmise Jeremy was on because if it was cannabis he would be more likey to have dropped asleep in a corner of the kitchen.  Ordinary cannabis removes any aggression you may have and relaxes you down.  If he was stuffed full of goodness knows what and high as a kite how on earth did he control himself in front of the police.  That theory holds no water whatsever Steve.

I have no knowledge of drugs whatsoever apart from the occasional Nurofen when Naughty Nun persists in playing the innocent card and digging herself deeper into whatever modish argument she is currently peddling.

[Jane]

He never confessed to Julie,though he told her she held his life in her hands. It must have been a very emotional time for Julie as her inner turmoil wrestled with her civic duty to turn this criminal in, whom she had loved so passionately for a period of almost two years.

Steve, those are the words of a besotted lover. Said over the phone they can have a very powerful effect. Almost erotic. He must have been aware of the effect they would have. Perhaps it was a game they played.

[Steve_uk]

Steve, those are the words of a besotted lover. Said over the phone they can have a very powerful effect. Almost erotic. He must have been aware of the effect they would have. Perhaps it was a game they played.

I think Jeremy may well have played these kind of games along with practical jokes mentioned in the various books.Maybe that's why Julie found Jeremy so difficult to read.

[maggie]

I have no knowledge of drugs whatsoever apart from the occasional Nurofen when Naughty Nun persists in playing the innocent card and digging herself deeper into whatever modish argument she is currently peddling.

Well steve, the old fashioned cannabis still smoked in the 1980's is a relaxant, people smoked it and generally sat around ruminating about 'stuff' and maybe fell asleep. Today the stronger hybred cannabis more commonly available is a much stronger more addictive drug than it's original cousin....one well known kind is skunk...these are known to cause psychosis and brain damage.
Cocaine etc which zoop you up can take a fair time to comedown from, it would take a long time to come down from as large a dose as Jeremy would have needed to carry out that crime, certainly at least 12 hours to be anywhere near normal .imo

[Steve_uk]

Well steve, the old fashioned cannabis still smoked in the 1980's is a relaxant, people smoked it and generally sat around ruminating about 'stuff' and maybe fell asleep. Today the stronger hybred cannabis more commonly available is a much stronger more addictive drug than it's original cousin....one well known kind is skunk...these are known to cause psychosis and brain damage.
Cocaine etc which zoop you up can take a fair time to comedown from, it would take a long time to come down from as large a dose as Jeremy would have needed to carry out that crime.imo

It's quite possible he had access to it in the circles he used to frequent.

[maggie]

It's quite possible he had access to it in the circles he used to frequent.

I'm not certain but don't think it was available at all in the 1980s steve.  Would be interesting to find out.  In have tried to find out on line but didn't get anywhere.  The psychosis often occurs over time not particularly when it is smoked, it's quite random and there is no record of Jeremy ever showing signs of psychosis, so I wouldn't think that was involved. imo

[Jane]

I think Jeremy may well have played these kind of games along with practical jokes mentioned in the various books.Maybe that's why Julie found Jeremy so difficult to read.

My point is Steve, that Julie would have played these games with him. It's part of the fun. Foreplay, if you like and there's no point in playing the game alone. Unfortunately, when taken as soundbites, instead of sounding erotic, they can sound sinister..............rather like that soundbite you keep quoting, "I hate my F'ing parents", not nice, but supposing , before that sentence are word similar to "........and try as I might, I can't get it out of them what they're giving me. God, I.........."Not the words I might have used, but I never have been a 23 year old male trying to impress a mate.

[Steve_uk]

My point is Steve, that Julie would have played these games with him. It's part of the fun. Foreplay, if you like and there's no point in playing the game alone. Unfortunately, when taken as soundbites, instead of sounding erotic, they can sound sinister..............rather like that soundbite you keep quoting, "I hate my F'ing parents", not nice, but supposing , before that sentence are word similar to "........and try as I might, I can't get it out of them what they're giving me. God, I.........."Not the words I might have used, but I never have been a 23 year old male trying to impress a mate.

There's too many incidents of these remarks,of which Julie may not always have been privy. It's just too much of a coincidence for there to be two potential murderers inside a house where on the previous occasion they were all together at Christmas 1984 Jeremy had speculated about the house burning down and its aftermath.

[Jane]

There's too many incidents of these remarks,of which Julie may not always have been privy. It's just too much of a coincidence for there to be two potential murderers inside a house where on the previous occasion they were all together at Christmas 1984 Jeremy had speculated about the house burning down and its aftermath.

Steve, every soundbite you pluck from where ever, on its' own and of itself, sounds sinister. That is how you wish us to perceive it, but with the addition of other words much of the venom is removed, Speculation about the house burning COULD have been accompanied by talk of lighted candles as part of Christmas decorations and "think of all the dosh that  would come my way if that happened". Most of what you present to us as sinister and proof enough to convince you of his guilt, when expanded, comes across to me as silly, boastful, idle chatter.

[Lugg]

Steve you have handled yourself well tonight. I would not be able to answer that many people coming back to me with all different answers and questions. Well done. 

[Caroline R]

Steve you have handled yourself well tonight. I would not be able to answer that many people coming back to me with all different answers and questions. Well done. 

Don't encourage him! 

[lookout]

Steve, every soundbite you pluck from where ever, on its' own and of itself, sounds sinister. That is how you wish us to perceive it, but with the addition of other words much of the venom is removed, Speculation about the house burning COULD have been accompanied by talk of lighted candles as part of Christmas decorations and "think of all the dosh that  would come my way if that happened". Most of what you present to us as sinister and proof enough to convince you of his guilt, when expanded, comes across to me as silly, boastful, idle chatter.

It's sounding like a scene from the film " Rebecca ".

[Jane]

Don't encourage him! 

Think I'll go to bed now. Quite exhausted

[Lugg]

Don't encourage him! 

Well I do admire him, although I think he's wrong.

[Lugg]

Well I do admire him, although I think he's wrong.

Vic too. Although I still can't work out why he came on the forum this morning with all guns blazing?