Example of how Relatives Names are Blackened.

[Lugg]

Whilst you all reinvestigate the case, I just thought I'd re mention point 110, which is an extract from one of JM's statements and mentioned in the 2002 appeal. It seems strange that so many of you truth seekers would ignore this post, even if by an idiot.

110. She and the appellant spent the following weekend with Colin Caffell and on 12 August she went to the house in Goldhanger with the appellant. There he told her that the police had been a bit slack because they had not done all the fingerprinting at White House Farm.

Yes I read that. Your point is?
By the way why do you post in that sneering way? I do indeed seek the truth. My mind is not already made up like yours. Also I have actually taken the trouble to contact Bamber himself, unlike you who only have the words of the relatives to go by, why are in your eyes whiter than white saints whose brilliance and holiness is too bright to look at by the naked eye.
As for me I believe the human heart to be "deceitful above all things and desparately wicked" (Jeremiah 17:9)

[Jane]

Morning steve uk  You told me in an earlier post that the first thing Jeremy did when he got back to his home was wash the bike down to remove any traces of evidence.  I thought it rather strange that anyone who saw a young man in the middle of the night wearing a wetsuit washing his bike would maybe have thought it bizarre to say the least.

Morning Susan. So where may the mud come from which RB THOUGHT he saw? Given that Jeremy, supposing any of this is true, made a half decent job of cleaning said bike, wouldn't RB have needed a magnifying glass to find any trace? Desperate or what

[susan]

Morning april  I just give up as this serious case is turning into a farce

[Lugg]

Morning april  I just give up as this serious case is turning into a farce

Susan. Be sure of this. JB was suspected, arrested, judged and sentenced by his own relatives long before the case ever came to court. The whole thing was engineered long before the police suspected him and it all started with the words of Ann Eaton, "Why is Jeremy still alive". go figure.

[vidvic]

Yes I read that. Your point is?
By the way why do you post in that sneering way? I do indeed seek the truth. My mind is not already made up like yours. Also I have actually taken the trouble to contact Bamber himself, unlike you who only have the words of the relatives to go by, why are in your eyes whiter than white saints whose brilliance and holiness is too bright to look at by the naked eye.
As for me I believe the human heart to be "deceitful above all things and desparately wicked" (Jeremiah 17:9)

So now you insult me too? Over the weekend I was called an idiot by Campion, and challenged by others to show evidence of fingerprinting occurring at WHF before September. Patti claimed I think that the sections she posted were the only references at appeal to fingerprinting and I countered with this.

I find it strange that it bearly warranted a mention.

[Lugg]

So now you insult me too? Over the weekend I was called an idiot by Campion, and challenged by others to show evidence of fingerprinting occurring at WHF before September. Patti claimed I think that the sections she posted were the only references at appeal to fingerprinting and I countered with this.

I find it strange that it bearly warranted a mention.

I'm sorry Vidvic. But I was under the impression that you were insulting my intelligence in your post. It also seems to me that you are too sanctimonious as regards the relatives. Did you or did you not refer to us as "Truth seekers" in a sneering way. As if we are not truly seeking the truth instead of meekly towing the line like all the relative lovers do. I don't know about you. But I want to know the truth. Because all was not what it seemed in the original investigation.

[vidvic]

I'm sorry Vidvic. But I was under the impression that you were insulting my intelligence in your post. It also seems to me that you are too sanctimonious as regards the relatives. Did you or did you not refer to us as "Truth seekers" in a sneering way. As if we are not truly seeking the truth instead of meekly towing the line like all the relative lovers do. I don't know about you. But I want to know the truth. Because all was not what it seemed in the original investigation.

But Lugg, you seem to have made up your mind?
Susan. Be sure of this. JB was suspected, arrested, judged and sentenced by his own relatives long before the case ever came to court. The whole thing was engineered long before the police suspected him and it all started with the words of Ann Eaton, "Why is Jeremy still alive". go figure.

[Lugg]

But Lugg, you seem to have made up your mind?
Susan. Be sure of this. JB was suspected, arrested, judged and sentenced by his own relatives long before the case ever came to court. The whole thing was engineered long before the police suspected him and it all started with the words of Ann Eaton, "Why is Jeremy still alive". go figure.

That is an observation and a truthful one. I question both sides unlike yourself who surely have made up your mind. Without even talking with Bamber himself, but going only by what you have been told by others. Surely you should know that the key to good investigation is to trust no one?

[vidvic]

That is an observation and a truthful one. I question both sides unlike yourself who surely have made up your mind. Without even talking with Bamber himself, but going only by what you have been told by others. Surely you should know that the key to good investigation is to trust no one?

So what did Bamber say to you that convinced you of his innocence? Was it a long chat? Or, like me, do you rely on mike Tesko to give us bamber's thoughts?

Have you contacted the relatives then? To get their side of the story?

[Lugg]

So what did Bamber say to you that convinced you of his innocence? Was it a long chat? Or, like me, do you rely on mike Tesko to give us bamber's thoughts?

Have you contacted the relatives then? To get their side of the story?

Vic. I don't have to contact the relatives. Their story is set out by you and by Hartley. No I don't just listen to MT. There is a load of stuff on the forum that has been written down. I only speak about that. That Is why I said that I trust no one. Furthermore Bamber has not "convinced" me of his innocence. I am not sure where you got that idea from? Just because I question certain things does not mean I am for him or againat him or likewise the relatives. I just think things ouht to be looked at honestly and honestly does not mean drink in eve4rything people say about something. Everyone in my opinion needs to come under scrutiny if one is to honestly investigate something. That is all I am doing and nothing more. I also agree that Bamber needs to be questioned more deeply about certain aspects of his story. It is that things as they are just don't add up whichever way you look at it. Whether it is from the relatives point of view or from Bambers point of view.

[lookout]

How about a polygraph test for witnesses.?

[Lugg]

How about a polygraph test for witnesses.?

Are you voluntering to pay? I think it has already been established in the minds of some that for them they have no value. I myself would not take one just in case it makes a mistake and finds me guilty of a mass murder or something?

[vidvic]

Vic. I don't have to contact the relatives. Their story is set out by you and by Hartley. No I don't just listen to MT. There is a load of stuff on the forum that has been written down. I only speak about that. That Is why I said that I trust no one. Furthermore Bamber has not "convinced" me of his innocence. I am not sure where you got that idea from? Just because I question certain things does not mean I am for him or againat him or likewise the relatives. I just think things ouht to be looked at honestly and honestly does not mean drink in eve4rything people say about something. Everyone in my opinion needs to come under scrutiny if one is to honestly investigate something. That is all I am doing and nothing more. I also agree that Bamber needs to be questioned more deeply about certain aspects of his story. It is that things as they are just don't add up whichever way you look at it. Whether it is from the relatives point of view or from Bambers point of view.

what you have written above and what you have said earlier this morning do not tally.

You said that I'd not bothered to contact Bamber but that you do not need to speak to the relatives. How is that not hypocrisy?

[lookout]

Are you voluntering to pay? I think it has already been established in the minds of some that for them they have no value. I myself would not take one just in case it makes a mistake and finds me guilty of a mass murder or something?

No value to the guilty maybe.!

[susan]

Hello lookout  how you today.  Julie refused to be interviewed by Mason Doyle so she would not be up for a polygraph test.