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Re: Example of how Relatives Names are Blackened.
« Reply #120 on: December 15, 2012, 02:26:PM »
there are many reasons to think he did it but the verdict on its own is not one them.
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Re: Example of how Relatives Names are Blackened.
« Reply #121 on: December 15, 2012, 02:35:PM »
there are many reasons to think he did it but the verdict on its own is not one them.

It's a good starting point..
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Re: Example of how Relatives Names are Blackened.
« Reply #122 on: December 15, 2012, 02:47:PM »
do you believe everyone who  found innocent is innocent.

what about people who were found guilty at the first and innocent a retrial.

or vice versa.

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Re: Example of how Relatives Names are Blackened.
« Reply #123 on: December 15, 2012, 02:47:PM »
there are some that speculate it could be as many as one in 5 case or 20 percent

i can count the case it certanly far more than i tiny and im talking people who have been cleared.

not people who are thought by some to be innocent.

If you take a rough estimate of 450,000 criminal proceedings being heard by magistrates and crown courts every quarter are you seriously suggesting to me that you believe up to 90,000 of the decisions reached are wrong and are miscarriages of justice?!!!!!

What kind of society do you think that we live in!
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Re: Example of how Relatives Names are Blackened.
« Reply #124 on: December 15, 2012, 02:49:PM »
a pretty fucked up one.

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Re: Example of how Relatives Names are Blackened.
« Reply #125 on: December 15, 2012, 02:49:PM »
If you take a rough estimate of 450,000 criminal proceedings being heard by magistrates and crown courts every quarter are you seriously suggesting to me that you believe up to 180,000 of the decisions reached are wrong and are miscarriages of justice?!!!!!

What kind of society do you think that we live in!

Might he not be referring to murder trials only?  Just a thought.  They seem to be the cases most debated and referred to on here.

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Re: Example of how Relatives Names are Blackened.
« Reply #126 on: December 15, 2012, 02:52:PM »
i think theres about 1 in five cases were the verdict could of gone the other way that dosent mean the verdict was wrong necessarily.

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Re: Example of how Relatives Names are Blackened.
« Reply #127 on: December 15, 2012, 02:54:PM »
do you believe everyone who  found innocent is innocent.

what about people who were found guilty at the first and innocent a retrial.

or vice versa.

No.

Yes I take your point, but that would require new evidence of sufficient substance to effect the original verdict, and so far the conclusion is that there isn't any. I have to say though, that I'm not overly comfortable with the current system by which appeal court judges (who were not at trial) decide what weight the jury may have attached to a particular piece of evidence or argument. I don't know what the alternative would be though.
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Re: Example of how Relatives Names are Blackened.
« Reply #128 on: December 15, 2012, 02:59:PM »
No.

Yes I take your point, but that would require new evidence of sufficient substance to effect the original verdict, and so far the conclusion is that there isn't any. I have to say though, that I'm not overly comfortable with the current system by which appeal court judges (who were not at trial) decide what weight the jury may have attached to a particular piece of evidence or argument. I don't know what the alternative would be though.
Maybe we could adopt how the circle of truth works, i could steal millions from a bank you sit round me in a circle fire questions at me then give me a hug after and then i go and spend my money.

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Re: Example of how Relatives Names are Blackened.
« Reply #129 on: December 15, 2012, 03:00:PM »
To maintain that the CCRC rejected scientific evidence because it was inconclusive is not the same as to maintain that it is inconclusive because they rejected it.

Bravo..

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Re: Example of how Relatives Names are Blackened.
« Reply #130 on: December 15, 2012, 03:01:PM »
Maybe we could adopt how the circle of truth works, i could steal millions from a bank you sit round me in a circle fire questions at me then give me a hug after and then i go and spend my money.

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Re: Example of how Relatives Names are Blackened.
« Reply #131 on: December 15, 2012, 03:03:PM »
Hi Lookout

I have read Colin's book and Wilkes'.  Imo there's nothing in either that's really defamatory it's just Steve_uk's interpretation and the way he tells it with add-ons and embellishment.  Of course it's easier for Colin to believe that Jeremy was responsible rather than the mother of his children who Colin treated appallingly at times.

Steve_uk constantly quotes James Richard like a mantra.   James was a student a Goldsmiths and a friend of Julie's and is quoted as saying that Jeremy said "I hate my f*****g parents".  If this was said it is important to  understand the context and lead up but we know neither.  My brother recently asked me if I could put together some photos of our childhood which he wanted to show someone.  As I was doing this I found some of myself at ballet which I showed to my brother and other family members.  In one I was about 2 yoa (awww I look so cute), on the stage and looked petrified whilst at the same time concentrating on what I was suppose to be doing.  I jokingly said my parents should have been reported to social services for sending me to ballet and putting me on the stage at 2 yoa and that I've been pscychologically scarred by the experience.  Neither of which are true as I only have the vaguest memories of the ballet.  I might have added "I f*****g hate my parents" which would also hold no truth but this illustrates how innocent comments can be taken out of context.  :)

On the flip side Jean Boutell, the Bambers housekeeper for 20 yrs, states she never heard JB say anything negative about his family.  This was a woman who knew JB from the age of 4 to 24 and who as housekeeper wld have observed all sorts of things close up.  And who June thought highly of as evidenced by the 1k bequest in her will and yet Steve_uk conveniently forgets this.

Well sorry: if you think the Jeremy Bamber Case hinges on the opinion of Jean Boutell there's really no hope for you..
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Re: Example of how Relatives Names are Blackened.
« Reply #132 on: December 15, 2012, 03:13:PM »
nugnug  I take your point too and really what alternative do we have.

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Re: Example of how Relatives Names are Blackened.
« Reply #133 on: December 15, 2012, 04:04:PM »
If I recall correctly, these were accusations made by BW which Peter was never given the opportunity to answer, or at least if he did his answers have never been posted. The investigation went nowhere because, again IIRC, the executors did not feel he had done anything to the detriment of the estate, and commented that the business actually turned a larger profit under Peter than it had done under Neville.
In the documents that I read,in the second year,the company only made a profit of 3 hundred and something pounds?
I take your point that PE was never charged with anything,and therefore apologise.
Although,if BW's allegations were unfounded,does this not show that we cannot then really put much credence as to her testimony at Jeremy's trial?

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Re: Example of how Relatives Names are Blackened.
« Reply #134 on: December 15, 2012, 04:10:PM »
Well sorry: if you think the Jeremy Bamber Case hinges on the opinion of Jean Boutell there's really no hope for you..

Hi Steve_uk

I have my own beliefs about what the case hinges on and it's certainly nothing to do with the opinion of Jean Boutell  ;) ;) ;)