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Offline jon

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Re: Example of how Relatives Names are Blackened.
« Reply #60 on: December 14, 2012, 10:34:PM »
I happen to think that Jeremy has been treated appallingly on here,,especially as there's no hard evidence which ties him to the murders.
Totally agree with you !!

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« Reply #61 on: December 14, 2012, 10:35:PM »
I happen to think that Jeremy has been treated appallingly on here,,especially as there's no hard evidence which ties him to the murders.

If all the books are lies lookout then why hasn't Jeremy sued? Whether you believe Jeremy to be guilty of murder or not he behaved appallingly after the event.

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« Reply #62 on: December 14, 2012, 10:51:PM »
If all the books are lies lookout then why hasn't Jeremy sued? Whether you believe Jeremy to be guilty of murder or not he behaved appallingly after the event.
Works both ways steve , i cant sue god because i think the bible is a con.

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« Reply #63 on: December 14, 2012, 10:58:PM »
If all the books are lies lookout then why hasn't Jeremy sued? Whether you believe Jeremy to be guilty of murder or not he behaved appallingly after the event.

Don't worry,Steve,,Jeremy will sue once he's able to.  I don't see what his behaviour has to do with anything.It's not a hanging offence.

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« Reply #64 on: December 14, 2012, 11:29:PM »
I do not agree that only Bamber knows.  I have to say, that I get a bit irritated when I read that.  In a scenario where something went wrong with the raid - Bamber is clearly not the only person who knows.

I also think that it is a mistake to prop up a dodgy exhibit, which is what you are doing, for the sake of backing up friends.    Let's see some lie detector tests (as per the ones used by the authorities) arranged for all the 'honest' people on the other side of this case to Bamber. 

Tell me now Vic, that all of the people you support, would be prepared to answer pertinent questions relating to the silencer, while wired up to a polygraph, such as the ones being trialed by various UK authorities.

Also, what are you and the people you support, so frightned of in placing the police under severe scrutiny to see if they have indeed deceived everyone about what took place at WHF? 

WHY?

I'm not talking about relying upon police investigating police.  I'm talking about full, frank, specific questions coming from the relatives in relation to all of the anomalies.  Appeals for full disclosure.

He has a point Vic
What about a test to show they are honest?

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« Reply #65 on: December 15, 2012, 12:09:AM »
If all the books are lies lookout then why hasn't Jeremy sued? Whether you believe Jeremy to be guilty of murder or not he behaved appallingly after the event.
Oh not that old chesnut again. Someone must be guilty because if he wasn't he would sue. Well you could use exactly the same argument in regard to the relatives. You could say that if they were not guilty of all the accusations thrown at them on this forum then they would sue. I think the logical answer to that one is MONEY. You must be prepared to spend a lot of money if you want to sue somebody. (1) JB is skint. (2)I doubt that the relatives have got the resources to sue all and sundry. And those who publish libel are banking on that fact and so they carry on abusing both Jeremy Bamber and also the relatives.

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Re: Example of how Relatives Names are Blackened.
« Reply #66 on: December 15, 2012, 12:24:AM »
Lugg...you beat me to it! No disrepect to steve but what a ridiculous statement to make!How could Jeremy possibly sue anyone whilst behind bars and having no funds? Perhaps Steve should think about the implications should JB ever be freed an innocent man? Owing to his many slanderous posts,he might just find himself a target of a libel case from JB!

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Re: Example of how Relatives Names are Blackened.
« Reply #67 on: December 15, 2012, 12:35:AM »
Lugg...you beat me to it! No disrepect to steve but what a ridiculous statement to make!How could Jeremy possibly sue anyone whilst behind bars and having no funds? Perhaps Steve should think about the implications should JB ever be freed an innocent man? Owing to his many slanderous posts,he might just find himself a target of a libel case from JB!

Of course he can sue books which have been in print,unlike this site whom as petey has already stated very few people actually access.

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Re: Example of how Relatives Names are Blackened.
« Reply #68 on: December 15, 2012, 12:42:AM »
Petey,you say if you saw compelling evidence that any of the relatives were liars,cheats etc? What about theft and dishonesty? Time and again we hear about JB robbing the caravan park and therefore
 What kind of underhand character he is.Well what about the court documents on this very forum regarding the Pargeters taking the relatives to court.It clearly states how PE stole from N and J Bamber Ltd after their deaths and ran the company into the ground! Should we just whitewash over this fact that proved PE to be a thief? Was it acceptable,because he too was a victim of the murders?

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Re: Example of how Relatives Names are Blackened.
« Reply #69 on: December 15, 2012, 01:40:AM »
Petey,you say if you saw compelling evidence that any of the relatives were liars,cheats etc? What about theft and dishonesty? Time and again we hear about JB robbing the caravan park and therefore
 What kind of underhand character he is.Well what about the court documents on this very forum regarding the Pargeters taking the relatives to court.It clearly states how PE stole from N and J Bamber Ltd after their deaths and ran the company into the ground! Should we just whitewash over this fact that proved PE to be a thief? Was it acceptable,because he too was a victim of the murders?

These documents show nothing of the sort! Where is your proof? Where is the decision? The verdict? Anyone can launch a case, I could accuse you of all sorts and we'd go to court, and have a decision, a verdict?....

So, your husband is happy to enjoy Peter's friendly hospitality whilst you anonymously on the internet accuse him of being a thief?!
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Re: Example of how Relatives Names are Blackened.
« Reply #70 on: December 15, 2012, 03:57:AM »
I happen to think that Jeremy has been treated appallingly on here,,especially as there's no hard evidence which ties him to the murders.

Do u wonder why?!

Irrespective of your own or mine or any other poster's individual beliefs, JB is currently convicted of the appalling murder of 5 members of his family, including shooting dead 2 children whilst they slept.

Regardless of whether there is any evidence or the evidence is sufficiently strong enough, does the fact that he has been found guilty by a court of law and all subsequent appeals have failed, not make you appreciate why he is viewed and treated so badly.

IF he is guilty then he deserves to be treated appallingly and then some. What he has been convicted of doing is absolutely horrific. To be honest i'm surprised he has not been treated and viewed far worse by those convinced of his guilt.

IF he is guily then he is one of the most abhorent criminals in English legal history.

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« Reply #71 on: December 15, 2012, 06:47:AM »
Do u wonder why?!

Irrespective of your own or mine or any other poster's individual beliefs, JB is currently convicted of the appalling murder of 5 members of his family, including shooting dead 2 children whilst they slept.

Regardless of whether there is any evidence or the evidence is sufficiently strong enough, does the fact that he has been found guilty by a court of law and all subsequent appeals have failed, not make you appreciate why he is viewed and treated so badly.

IF he is guilty then he deserves to be treated appallingly and then some. What he has been convicted of doing is absolutely horrific. To be honest i'm surprised he has not been treated and viewed far worse by those convinced of his guilt.

IF he is guily then he is one of the most abhorent criminals in English legal history.
Well said petey, tunnel vision springs to mind.

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Re: Example of how Relatives Names are Blackened.
« Reply #72 on: December 15, 2012, 07:08:AM »
Petey there are a whole raft of KNOWN discrepancies regarding the silencer evidence.  The relatives allegedly FOUND the silencer.  The silencer along with other, arguably hearsay testimony, convicted JB.
The case is notoriously controversial for having been subjected to significant non disclosure and withholding of evidence and the employment of exemptions to get around disclosure.  How likely is it, that absolutely none of this un disclosed material, whether secreted away by means other than PII or whether under the PII umbrella, is NOT exculpatory?

With friends like Petey who needs enemies! Petey gets a lot of praise from the Ian Stephens gang. I wonder why that is? As a general rule, I wouldn’t take advice from a man my enemies praise. I would suspect him.

Notice how Petey doesn’t often (if ever) address particular issues with respect to the evidence. He just keeps reminding us that Jeremy was convicted by a jury and that his appeals have failed and so on and so on.  The rejection of exculpatory evidence by the CCRC is taken by him to establish that the evidence was not really strong evidence after all.

 If Jeremy Bamber were an american citizen like Amanda Knox, there would be scathing criticism of the CCRC by scientific experts. The reasons given by them for rejecting a submission would be put under close scrutiny. The rejection of evidence requires justification. Bamber’s defence should consider the argument that by withholding the precise explanation for rejection, they are preventing the inadequate reasons from being exposed.

 What are the specific reasons for rejecting the evidence of professors Meloni and Cavalli who concurred in the view that Sheila could not have been dead for more that two hours when the photographs showing blood still running were taken? Petey has nothing to say on issues such as that.

Petey and his friends just do their “dismissive” act. They remind us that the CCRC rejected the evidence and use that as their argument. For the most part, that’s all the pro guilt crowd can do! The evidence was not evidence because the CCRC rejected it. And of course, the same goes for the Arizona tests. Let us be clear about this. These below are two different arguments

To maintain that the CCRC rejected scientific evidence because it was inconclusive is not the same as to maintain that it is inconclusive because they rejected it. The latter is really Petey’s argument, not the former. In logic, it’s recognised as a fallacy and it’s called argument from authority.

The truth is that they have rejected the evidence of expert witnesses without having gained the support of other experts to oppose them. That’s cheating! A television documentary on Bamber! I would say a large part of it should focus upon  the conduct of the CCRC in their handling of the case.


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Re: Example of how Relatives Names are Blackened.
« Reply #73 on: December 15, 2012, 07:20:AM »
Of course he can sue books which have been in print,unlike this site whom as petey has already stated very few people actually access.


I guess that gives you the title of Luckiest Person on the Forum, Steve :)

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Re: Example of how Relatives Names are Blackened.
« Reply #74 on: December 15, 2012, 07:56:AM »
  A few days ago, Mr Vidvic asked me quite succinctly:-  'Do you think I am an idiot?'
  I have pondered his question, and am glad to confirm in the affirmative.
  Moreover in the alleged colourful verbage of Mr Jeremy Bamber, my considered opinion is:-  'He is a nutter'.
  PS, - Meddlesome Mat, this opinion is non-negotiatable.