Example of how Relatives Names are Blackened.

[vidvic]

I'll give you all a really good example of how things can be twisted against the relatives....

John and Peter Eaton are brothers whose relationship was decidedly 'Frosty'....

John owned a piece of land that lay between land owned between Nevill's land and Peter's.

John unexpectedly placed this land for sale and I think there may have been some preliminary planning permission for development, certainly this was the concern of Nevill and Peter, that it would affect their farming.

Peter couldn't raise sufficient funds in the time required to buy it himself, so Nevill agreed to buy it and then sell it back to Peter once he had the funds.

Nevill didn't loan Peter the money, he simply bought the land and they had a private handshake on buying it back.....

This was not an uncommon occurance within the 'family'. The Boutflours, Eatons and the Bambers. Ann and David bought a piece of land for Pam & June under the same 'deal'. Whoever had the spare cash would buy the land and they'd divvy it up at a later date...

At the point of the murders, the Eatons didn't OWE the Bambers anything, although Jeremy now owned a piece of land which was far more valuable to Peter than it was to Jeremy.

John knew that Nevill and Peter were very keen not to let the land be developed and he charged Nevill over the odds for it. They had an argument and John punched Nevill.

"Proof that Eaton punched Nevill.." Mike Tesko declares, deliberately misleading forum members to believe this to be Peter. The first twist....

In a letter from Bamber to Tesko, Bamber tells Mike that the reason he was 'stiched up' by the relatives was because on 9th August, Bamber told Ann that he'd need the money back and that's why they planted the silencer....

Firstly, at that point, Bamber didn't know the deal even existed. 2. This is less than 48hrs after the murders and would be seen as a highly aggresive action against the man Bamber asked to run HIS OWN farm, 3. There was no money to repay. It was now simply Bamber's land....

The amount of money spent on the land was 30k-40k......

"Secret land deal....." cries Mike.....

Next we hear that the Eatons were bankrupt......

Then we hear that Bamber owned 'much of their farm'.....

In later posts it becomes hundreds of thousands......

Then we hear that Ann sold her own farm to move into WHF....

Then we hear that Peter gained the land for free after the murders.....

And where do these lies come from? Mr Jeremy Bamber, aided by his willing elf.

[lookout]

So do you know for absolute certain that Jeremy was the killer.?

[vidvic]

So do you know for absolute certain that Jeremy was the killer.?

How about commenting on what you've just read.

Of course I don't. There's only one person in the world who knows that and that's Bamber, but I know 100% that he was lying in a letter to Mike and I know 100% that he's lied about other things too, either him or Mike. So when I 100% know that he's told lies, but declares his innocence by making things up, then that leads me to believe in his guilt.

[Patti]

How about commenting on what you've just read.

Of course I don't. There's only one person in the world who knows that and that's Bamber, but I know 100% that he was lying in a letter to Mike and I know 100% that he's lied about other things too, either him or Mike. So when I 100% know that he's told lies, but declares his innocence by making things up, then that leads me to believe in his guilt.

Hi Vic

I have always been under the impression that it was John who had the altercation with Nevill at the pub.  Can I ask if you have seen this letter from JB to Mike regarding the land on the 9th August?   

[guest7363]

I'll give you all a really good example of how things can be twisted against the relatives....

John and Peter Eaton are brothers whose relationship was decidedly 'Frosty'....

John owned a piece of land that lay between land owned between Nevill's land and Peter's.

John unexpectedly placed this land for sale and I think there may have been some preliminary planning permission for development, certainly this was the concern of Nevill and Peter, that it would affect their farming.

Peter couldn't raise sufficient funds in the time required to buy it himself, so Nevill agreed to buy it and then sell it back to Peter once he had the funds.

Nevill didn't loan Peter the money, he simply bought the land and they had a private handshake on buying it back.....

This was not an uncommon occurance within the 'family'. The Boutflours, Eatons and the Bambers. Ann and David bought a piece of land for Pam & June under the same 'deal'. Whoever had the spare cash would buy the land and they'd divvy it up at a later date...

At the point of the murders, the Eatons didn't OWE the Bambers anything, although Jeremy now owned a piece of land which was far more valuable to Peter than it was to Jeremy.

John knew that Nevill and Peter were very keen not to let the land be developed and he charged Nevill over the odds for it. They had an argument and John punched Nevill.

"Proof that Eaton punched Nevill.." Mike Tesko declares, deliberately misleading forum members to believe this to be Peter. The first twist....

In a letter from Bamber to Tesko, Bamber tells Mike that the reason he was 'stiched up' by the relatives was because on 9th August, Bamber told Ann that he'd need the money back and that's why they planted the silencer....

Firstly, at that point, Bamber didn't know the deal even existed. 2. This is less than 48hrs after the murders and would be seen as a highly aggresive action against the man Bamber asked to run HIS OWN farm, 3. There was no money to repay. It was now simply Bamber's land....

The amount of money spent on the land was 30k-40k......

"Secret land deal....." cries Mike.....

Next we hear that the Eatons were bankrupt......

Then we hear that Bamber owned 'much of their farm'.....

In later posts it becomes hundreds of thousands......

Then we hear that Ann sold her own farm to move into WHF....

Then we hear that Peter gained the land for free after the murders.....

And where do these lies come from? Mr Jeremy Bamber, aided by his willing elf.

Thanks for sharing that with us vidvic. Must say met the family on numerous occasions at bhhpa well respect by other members.

[Roch]

I do not agree that only Bamber knows.  I have to say, that I get a bit irritated when I read that.  In a scenario where something went wrong with the raid - Bamber is clearly not the only person who knows.

I also think that it is a mistake to prop up a dodgy exhibit, which is what you are doing, for the sake of backing up friends.    Let's see some lie detector tests (as per the ones used by the authorities) arranged for all the 'honest' people on the other side of this case to Bamber. 

Tell me now Vic, that all of the people you support, would be prepared to answer pertinent questions relating to the silencer, while wired up to a polygraph, such as the ones being trialed by various UK authorities.

Also, what are you and the people you support, so frightned of in placing the police under severe scrutiny to see if they have indeed deceived everyone about what took place at WHF? 

WHY?

I'm not talking about relying upon police investigating police.  I'm talking about full, frank, specific questions coming from the relatives in relation to all of the anomalies.  Appeals for full disclosure.

[guest7363]

How about commenting on what you've just read.

Of course I don't. There's only one person in the world who knows that and that's Bamber, but I know 100% that he was lying in a letter to Mike and I know 100% that he's lied about other things too, either him or Mike. So when I 100% know that he's told lies, but declares his innocence by making things up, then that leads me to believe in his guilt.

Ive had the very same information passed onto me vidvic by people who worked with him? But sadly again i cannot discuss these are people who worked with him.

[susan]

Hi Ralph  how are you my fine friend.  I agree very good of vidvic to share all that information with us and I am sure the family are good people who maybe have had a bad press that was not called for.

[big-goolies]

How about commenting on what you've just read.

Of course I don't. There's only one person in the world who knows that and that's Bamber, but I know 100% that he was lying in a letter to Mike and I know 100% that he's lied about other things too, either him or Mike. So when I 100% know that he's told lies, but declares his innocence by making things up, then that leads me to believe in his guilt.

 
Being a liar doesnt always mean that someone is quilty of a crime , but what may lead to a quilt is if someone is manipulative and im led to believe by other people that JB is the master of manipulation

[Roch]

 
Being a liar doesnt always mean that someone is quilty of a crime , but what may lead to a quilt is if someone is manipulative and im led to believe by other people that JB is the master of manipulation

That may be the case.  I am minded to suspect that his reputation is at least in part deserved.  However, how can he manipulate rifle sightings at the upstairs windows of WHF?  How can he manipulate such info from being withheld?  How can he manipulate the fact that the first two pages of the faxed logs were written on different paper to the rest?

How many arch manipulators tell their girlfriend, about murdering their family, as part of a cunning and diabolical plan to secure inheritance?   A school-child could formulate a more water-tight plan?

How many relatives say would say NOTHING about staggering glaring withheld anomalies?

It's all bullshit. 

[susan]

Hi BG  some people tell lies out of fear some out of genuine confusion.  If Jeremy was the Master of manipulation he did not work his magic on the Jury members.  Wonder how many of them were female.  But from what I have read his attitude was all wrong I think he was convinced he would walk free and was enjoying the attention.  Bet he would do things differently now though.

[tyler]

Thank you for the very plausible explanation Vidvic re: the land deal.So,one then has to wonder why Nevill did not disclose this innocent land deal with June? Nevill sure does sound as if he was a lovely kind man,God rest his soul.

Since you are wanting to put all the anomalies to bed regarding the relatives,could I take the opportunity to ask you the following?

When DB allegedly found a silencer in the under stairs cupboard in the days following the murders,Basil Cocks made a statement saying that he was present.BC,in his statement,refers to the farmhouse being covered in fingerprinting dust.How can this be so,when the fingerprinting of the farmhouse was not undertaken until sometime in September?

[vidvic]

I do not agree that only Bamber knows.  I have to say, that I get a bit irritated when I read that.  In a scenario where something went wrong with the raid - Bamber is clearly not the only person who knows.

I am well aware that many on here believe that something 'went wrong with the raid' but that is just a theory at this point. What is irrefutable is that Bamber himself put Sheila in the frame for the murders and I've not seen any evidence whatsoever that I find compelling to make me believe that Sheila wasn't dead before 3.50am.

I also think that it is a mistake to prop up a dodgy exhibit, which is what you are doing, for the sake of backing up friends.    Let's see some lie detector tests (as per the ones used by the authorities) arranged for all the 'honest' people on the other side of this case to Bamber. 

I have given an example of how the relatives names have been blackened by incorrect stories being published on this forum. I didn't mention the silencer. For 27 years the family have been accused of various trickery. They gave their evidence at court under cross examination, gave statements for enquiries, gave evidence at appeal under cross examination and have been scrutinised on the internet. In fact, they've had to answer far more questions than Bamber ever has!

Tell me now Vic, that all of the people you support, would be prepared to answer pertinent questions relating to the silencer, while wired up to a polygraph, such as the ones being trialed by various UK authorities.

Also, what are you and the people you support, so frightned of in placing the police under severe scrutiny to see if they have indeed deceived everyone about what took place at WHF? 

I have no idea why you feel the family should seek any answers from anyone. The police have also been under scrutiny for 27 years and various members of the police have been asked very specific questions, even on television, in that time.

WHY?

I'm not talking about relying upon police investigating police.  I'm talking about full, frank, specific questions coming from the relatives in relation to all of the anomalies.  Appeals for full disclosure.

How about some more specific questions being answered by Bamber? Or do you simply want to continually place the family on trial? Maybe until you get the result you want......

[vidvic]

Thank you for the very plausible explanation Vidvic re: the land deal.So,one then has to wonder why Nevill did not disclose this innocent land deal with June? Nevill sure does sound as if he was a lovely kind man,God rest his soul.

Since you are wanting to put all the anomalies to bed regarding the relatives,could I take the opportunity to ask you the following?

When DB allegedly found a silencer in the under stairs cupboard in the days following the murders,Basil Cocks made a statement saying that he was present.BC,in his statement,refers to the farmhouse being covered in fingerprinting dust.How can this be so,when the fingerprinting of the farmhouse was not undertaken until sometime in September?

A very interesting point Tyler, because I believe this to be another piece of misinformation. I believe there was a fingerprint examination at WHF in the 48hrs after the murders and this was referred to at the trial. I think they went back in september to get some more, but carpet fibres and fingerprinting was done on the 8th/9th August. It was even referred to in 2002 at the appeal. Again, the source of this misinformation was from Bamber to Mike Tesko in a letter in 2009.

[lookout]

Neville was a shrewd businessman,,whose prerogative it was, was to keep a lot of his business,both family and financial,under wraps because he knew that if he told anyone,even June,it would innocently spill out at some point and create what was already,an undercurrent of unpleasantness .   Therefore I don't think anyone,even Jeremy, knew of any land deals,,and because of this,a lot of confusion lay in the background as to who would be entitled to what,thus causing bitterness within the family and towards Jeremy.
Neville didn't envisage his life ending like it did,,or he'd have possibly explained to Jeremy his intentions of dividing the land. Obviously the reading of the will didn't go down too well among the beneficiaries as it rumbled on even years after Jeremy had been imprisoned,so how he could be called greedy when he didn't even receive a brass farthing,I don't know.
Jeremy has been damned to Kingdom come,and it would seem that there are no holds barred when it comes to atrocious insults towards him on a daily basis,,when nobody knows for absolute certainty that he was indeed the murderer,,so it works both ways when the relatives come into play.
I could retaliate by saying some of the posts aimed at Jeremys' " guilt " are truly unacceptable.
What when we see the moment in black and white,that he's been found innocent.?