Would it make a difference if silencer was fitted on gun barrel during shootings

[boheme]

Respect is something earned roch , not given away like cheap bubble gum, the reciepient has to be worthy and these relatives deserve none, one more thing not all but most murders its often the case the murder weapon is not at the crime scene but found later, who on earth is going to carry out such acts as those of that night and not take the murder weapon away .

Obviously if JB wanted it to look like suicide he would not take the gun away with him !!

[mertol22]

Comments like this disgust me.

I fail to see why you are on the forum surely by now you must see there are many who question the way JB was brought before a court, being male was just one.

[Bridget]

I fail to see why you are on the forum surely by now you must see there are many who question the way JB was brought before a court, being male was just one.

It's not the questioning that is objectionable. Speaking for myself, I believe you and others have as much right to your beliefs on the case as I do. It's when you use those beliefs, which are certainly unproven and IMO often baseless, as an excuse to berate the surviving family that I feel it crosses the line of decency.

[guest154]

Comments like this disgust me.

It's not the questioning that is objectionable. Speaking for myself, I believe you and others have as much right to your beliefs on the case as I do. It's when you use those beliefs, which are certainly unproven and IMO often baseless, as an excuse to berate the surviving family that I feel it crosses the line of decency.

I agree guys! I was saying the same to Lookout last night. Baseless slander spouted out time and time again with no evidence to back it up - talking about people who had 5 members of their family killed.
I don't know when it became okay or normal to try and tarnish people on a forum day and night when they haven't been charged with anything, it's disgusting and stinks of pure desperation.

[campion]

  Mertol, Greetings   Can you tell us if Vidvic is from Tunbridge Wells?

[jon]

I agree guys! I was saying the same to Lookout last night. Baseless slander spouted out time and time again with no evidence to back it up - talking about people who had 5 members of their family killed.
I don't know when it became okay or normal to try and tarnish people on a forum day and night when they haven't been charged with anything, it's disgusting and stinks of pure desperation.

Even you must agree that if you believe JB innocent , it then follows that his family were involved in what at best could be called ' noble cause corruption ' at worse an out and out ' set up ' .

You claim to have a legal background , in your time in the legal world , have you ever known a family so involved in the conviction of a relative ? Finding the silencer , after four police officer's failed to find it in a small cupboard , speaking to the girlfriend of the accused , who then goes on to change the time of a crucial phone call , suggesting the mode of transport used in the crimes ?

Do you then believe a member of the family was being anything but slippery when telling a court that he would not benefit from the will's of the deceased , but his wife went on too ?

Do you believe the family would look a lot better to the people on the outside like us , if they called on EP to allow JB legal team access to all unused or withheld material used in the case ? , furthermore calling on the CCRC to go back to the gun expert's in the U.S and put to bed the argument once and for all whether a silencer was used in the crimes ? 

[guest154]

Even you must agree that if you believe JB innocent , it then follows that his family were involved in what at best could be called ' noble cause corruption ' at worse an out and out ' set up ' .

No, not at all.

You claim to have a legal background , in your time in the legal world , have you ever known a family so involved in the conviction of a relative ? Finding the silencer , after four police officer's failed to find it in a small cupboard , speaking to the girlfriend of the accused , who then goes on to change the time of a crucial phone call , suggesting the mode of transport used in the crimes ?

Of course! Families are involved in evidence giving all of the time. They know the houses/the deceased and the accused better than the police do - the family are a good starting point in gathering facts.

I don't think it's strange at all that the family spoke to Julie.....they knew her! I think your post is very misleading.

Do you believe the family would look a lot better to the people on the outside like us , if they called on EP to allow JB legal team access to all unused or withheld material used in the case ? , furthermore calling on the CCRC to go back to the gun expert's in the U.S and put to bed the argument once and for all whether a silencer was used in the crimes ? 

I don't think it matters how I believe the family would look. They answered the questions needed of them. It is disgusting and wrong to think that they should now pander to people. THEY know what THEY believe - why should THEY have to convince you?

They aren't on trial, they do not have to do anything.

[lookout]

I agree guys! I was saying the same to Lookout last night. Baseless slander spouted out time and time again with no evidence to back it up - talking about people who had 5 members of their family killed.
I don't know when it became okay or normal to try and tarnish people on a forum day and night when they haven't been charged with anything, it's disgusting and stinks of pure desperation.

Mat,,do me a favour and highlight my post where I mentioned the family.

[nugnug]

since when has haveing a distant realtive entitlied anyone to respect.

a few of my distant relatives were murdered by the nazis that dosent mean anyone has to respect me.

the victem card gets played far to much these days.

[vidvic]

No, not at all.


Of course! Families are involved in evidence giving all of the time. They know the houses/the deceased and the accused better than the police do - the family are a good starting point in gathering facts.

I don't think it's strange at all that the family spoke to Julie.....they knew her! I think your post is very misleading.

I don't think it matters how I believe the family would look. They answered the questions needed of them. It is disgusting and wrong to think that they should now pander to people. THEY know what THEY believe - why should THEY have to convince you?

They aren't on trial, they do not have to do anything.

Best post you've ever made mat. I couldn't put this any better than you have.

[jon]

Best post you've ever made mat. I couldn't put this any better than you have.

Can i ask Vidvic , do you want to know once and for all , whether a silencer was fitted or not ?

[vidvic]

Even you must agree that if you believe JB innocent , it then follows that his family were involved in what at best could be called ' noble cause corruption ' at worse an out and out ' set up ' .

You claim to have a legal background , in your time in the legal world , have you ever known a family so involved in the conviction of a relative ? Finding the silencer , after four police officer's failed to find it in a small cupboard , speaking to the girlfriend of the accused , who then goes on to change the time of a crucial phone call , suggesting the mode of transport used in the crimes ?

Do you then believe a member of the family was being anything but slippery when telling a court that he would not benefit from the will's of the deceased , but his wife went on too ?

Do you believe the family would look a lot better to the people on the outside like us , if they called on EP to allow JB legal team access to all unused or withheld material used in the case ? , furthermore calling on the CCRC to go back to the gun expert's in the U.S and put to bed the argument once and for all whether a silencer was used in the crimes ?

Jon, you defend your motives for attacking the family and in the process attack them some more. Added to that, what you say is totally and factually wrong. Robert Boutflour and his wife did not receive a penny from the bamber estate. What you all fail to realise or ignore is that after the murders it was believed by the relatives that Colin would inherit most of the estate. NGB did explain to me why this wasn't so, but it was a suprise to the relatives at the time. After all the working out, effectively, everything went to Pam, who REFUSED it. "I will not benefit from the murder of my sister". Robert and Pam decided to hand down the heritance to Ann, David (from the speakman side) and Anthony, sister (on the bamber side). Each received around 80k.
If you think millionaires would stich someone up for 80k when at the time they didn't even think they'd get anything at all, then more fool you.

[nugnug]

why would they think that how could inherit any part of the estate he was related to them.

he could only get anything while the twins were still alive.

and i cant believe the family dident know that.

[vidvic]

Can i ask Vidvic , do you want to know once and for all , whether a silencer was fitted or not ?

A silencer WAS used in at least some of the killings and a silencer WAS found by relatives in the gun cupboard. The silencer found in the gun cupboard had June's DNA in it and human blood on it and in it. There was a high probability of Sheila's DNA being in it too, though not enough to say with any certainty but well above chance. I'd love to know if the marks to Nevill were made with the rifle as I believe this further adds to the evidence against Bamber, not for him, IMHO, as deliberately burning Nevill is not the actions of a crazed Sheila, IMHO.

[susan]

Hi nugnug  in Scotland it is considered the youngest would have died last therefore their next of kin would inherit which would have been Colin.  Probably English law is different.