Christopher McGee------The Liverpool Rail Guard.

[Patti]

But that's because they were building it, and needed the completion certificate. Earlier you were talking about a resale, building regs don't apply to those.

Building regs might not apply when you are selling, but a full survey can be a pain in the bum, if regs were not in place at the onset.  Plus the buyer can request you put it right before an exchange of contract. I believe...? I know I had a similar problem when I sold my last property....

[Bridget]

Building regs might not apply when you are selling, but a full survey can be a pain in the bum, if regs were not in place at the onset.  Plus the buyer can request you put it right before an exchange of contract. I believe...? I know I had a similar problem when I sold my last property....

That's correct, but that's just a matter between seller and buyer. The seller is free to say no and the buyer is free to walk away (unless you're in scotland) so normally people will come to some sort of agreement.

[susan]

Patti  sorry you are confusing me your local authority will not issue you with a Completion Certificate unless the house has been build per regs on the drawing.  At a further date if you decide to put on an extension or a new window in and you don't get this passed by Building Control you will have problems as Solicitors check the stamped plans from Building Control and Planning Dept and a survey or the house buyer will see the difference and the paper work has to be in place.

[Patti]

That's correct, but that's just a matter between seller and buyer. The seller is free to say no and the buyer is free to walk away (unless you're in scotland) so normally people will come to some sort of agreement.

It is but if you are in a hurry to sell and its a good offer...what do you? Do the work, then both parties are happy....But yes, you can walk away and refuse the sale if someone is awkward, although if they had paid well for a good survey, there would be room to negotiate.   We have the hip thing now, don't we? ...I've not bought or sold for 9 years, so don't know how things work now....

[Bridget]

It is but if you are in a hurry to sell and its a good offer...what do you? Do the work, then both parties are happy....But yes, you can walk away and refuse the sale if someone is awkward, although if they had paid well for a good survey, there would be room to negotiate.   We have the hip thing now, don't we? ...I've not bought or sold for 9 years, so don't know how things work now....

All valid considerations but none of them enforceable by building control. HIPs came and went just as quickly, now all you have to get is the energy performance certificate or whatever it's called. Basically someone comes round and counts your lightbulbs for £75+VAT.

I think we're a bit off topic lol

[susan]

Patti you will be pleased to know you don't have the HIP thing now just Scotland

[Patti]

Patti  sorry you are confusing me your local authority will not issue you with a Completion Certificate unless the house has been build per regs on the drawing.  At a further date if you decide to put on an extension or a new window in and you don't get this passed by Building Control you will have problems as Solicitors check the stamped plans from Building Control and Planning Dept and a survey or the house buyer will see the difference and the paper work has to be in place.

I'm confused too Susan...I would think a house that is being built has to pass a lot of stages before it is passed; right down to the footing. Yes it has to comply with building regs.  You receive all these documents with the deeds when you buy outright like i did with this house. Every document relating to the property becomes yours for safe keeping, or you can leave the deeds with a solicitor. 

Yes, I agree, if you have an extension which you have not had permission to build and not had to passed by the council, then at sale you could be made to take it down....yes, you could have problems...because you have not applied for planning permission....

[Patti]

All valid considerations but none of them enforceable by building control. HIPs came and went just as quickly, now all you have to get is the energy performance certificate or whatever it's called. Basically someone comes round and counts your lightbulbs for £75+VAT.

I think we're a bit off topic lol

Way orffffffffffffffff. lol 

[Patti]

Another young girl loses her life.  http://www.parentdish.co.uk/2012/11/30/girl-killed-at-tram-crossing-lindsey-marie-inger-was-not-playing-chicken/?icid=maing-grid7%7Cuk-ws-bb%7Cdl6%7Csec1_lnk2%26pLid%3D139565

[lookout]

Another young girl loses her life.  http://www.parentdish.co.uk/2012/11/30/girl-killed-at-tram-crossing-lindsey-marie-inger-was-not-playing-chicken/?icid=maing-grid7%7Cuk-ws-bb%7Cdl6%7Csec1_lnk2%26pLid%3D139565

I remember reading about this,Patti. The safety aspect of our railways is absolutely abysmal.There have been a lot of accidents on these crossings,,and now wait for the tons of excuses.
As I've already stated,Christopher has been made an example of and his sentence should be cut as having been accidental death as opposed to manslaughter. Nobody sets out to murder/kill anyone unless it's pre-planned and in Christophers case he had 20 years of unblemished work records.Normally he would have been inside the train with the driver if he'd have adhered to the rules and regulations,but he'd delayed the process by shouting to the girl to keep clear of the train.
Who would have been blamed,I wonder,between the guard and the driver of the train if both men had followed instructions as both would not have been visible ?

[Patti]

I remember reading about this,Patti. The safety aspect of our railways is absolutely abysmal.There have been a lot of accidents on these crossings,,and now wait for the tons of excuses.
As I've already stated,Christopher has been made an example of and his sentence should be cut as having been accidental death as opposed to manslaughter. Nobody sets out to murder/kill anyone unless it's pre-planned and in Christophers case he had 20 years of unblemished work records.Normally he would have been inside the train with the driver if he'd have adhered to the rules and regulations,but he'd delayed the process by shouting to the girl to keep clear of the train.
Who would have been blamed,I wonder,between the guard and the driver of the train if both men had followed instructions as both would not have been visible ?

Hi Lookout

If a someone had been drinking and walked out into the road, the driver would have had to have taken the blame for it...It's a sad situation all round...You OK? Do you fancy a chat? 

[lookout]

 Christopher has begun an appeal against his 5 year sentence. He has signed papers and is now awaiting his solicitor to complete her side of things.
There's a petition which was set up by his younger sister,and if you google " free chris mcgee " it will bring you to the site,which also includes some interesting history over the past 6 years,on our rail problems/fatalities that have occurred.

Up to now,no date has been given for the appeal,but the hearing is expected to take place in London,,when the family will be going to show their support for him.
His appeal has to go through the usual procedures,the CAO before being presented to the COA.

Chris received hundreds of cards over Christmas,,as well as letters of support.

[Patti]

Is this the link Lookout? 

http://www.raib.gov.uk/publications/investigation_reports/reports_2012/report222012.cfm

[lookout]

Is this the link Lookout? 

http://www.raib.gov.uk/publications/investigation_reports/reports_2012/report222012.cfm

Hi Patti,,yes,that's the one,Investigations. It would appear that Chris has been singled out when you read about some of them. I used to see the guy often when I was in the village,,,such a nice,inoffensive chap.

[lookout]

Christopher is to appeal against his 5 year sentence. The first hearing will be held at the Court of Appeal in London next Thursday. So I'll keep you updated. He was jailed last November 2012.