Occupants of CA07, Bews, Myall, Saxby, at heart of cover up, sensation...

[Roch]

07:4? the last number is missing from the photocopy.

Thanks Caroline.  I wonder if they shut the open phone line down due to the alleged shooting incident in the kitchen.   Would there have been a telecoms worker listening in as well as the police? 

[mike tesko]

999  link was closed down at 7:42am...

Five minutes after raid team entered kitchen and found two bodies, one dead male, and one dead female. Since there is nothing mentioned in these logs up to this (7:42am) point / stage, one is safe to assume that once the 999 system was closed down at 7:42am, someone at the scene relayed information to the control that one of the two bodies which had been found was a murder, whilst the other was a suicide. This information must have been relayed to the control room by the occupants of CA07 before 7:45am, because by that stage, "Linda in the control room was contacting DS Davidson at home by 07:45am, asking him to attend the office, because police at whf were dealing with a murder, and a suicide - So we can be sure that once the 999 phone line had been turned off at 7:42am, the occupants of CA07 overheard the running commentary from the open mike communications passed by members of the raid team and that what they overheard was relayed to the control room, along the lines that the two bodies found, one dead male (was a murder), and the other female body (was a suicide) prior to the 07:45am call by "Linda", in the control room, to DS Davidson, at his home address...

[mike tesko]

999  link was closed down at 7:42am...

Five minutes after raid team entered kitchen and found two bodies, one dead male, and one dead female. Since there is nothing mentioned in these logs up to this (7:42am) point / stage, one is safe to assume that once the 999 system was closed down at 7:42am, someone at the scene relayed information to the control that one of the two bodies which had been found was a murder, whilst the other was a suicide. This information must have been relayed to the control room by the occupants of CA07 before 7:45am, because by that stage, "Linda in the control room was contacting DS Davidson at home by 07:45am, asking him to attend the office, because police at whf were dealing with a murder, and a suicide - So we can be sure that once the 999 phone line had been turned off at 7:42am, the occupants of CA07 overheard the running commentary from the open mike communications passed by members of the raid team and that what they overheard was relayed to the control room, along the lines that the two bodies found, one dead male (was a murder), and the other female body (was a suicide) prior to the 07:45am call by "Linda", in the control room, to DS Davidson, at his home address...

Therefore, PS Bews, PC Myall and PS Saxby (CA07) all had knowlege that two bodies had been found upon entry, because they were the ones responsible for passing the crucial radio message to the control room, timed at 7:48am, "body of one dead male, body of one dead female, foun on entry", nothing could be any clearer, whats more the information relayed by CA07 at that time via radio, was also being recorded via the exchange line eavesdropped as per the 999 link up...

[Roch]

999  link was closed down at 7:42am...

Five minutes after raid team entered kitchen and found two bodies, one dead male, and one dead female. Since there is nothing mentioned in these logs up to this (7:42am) point / stage, one is safe to assume that once the 999 system was closed down at 7:42am, someone at the scene relayed information to the control that one of the two bodies which had been found was a murder, whilst the other was a suicide. This information must have been relayed to the control room by the occupants of CA07 before 7:45am, because by that stage, "Linda in the control room was contacting DS Davidson at home by 07:45am, asking him to attend the office, because police at whf were dealing with a murder, and a suicide - So we can be sure that once the 999 phone line had been turned off at 7:42am, the occupants of CA07 overheard the running commentary from the open mike communications passed by members of the raid team and that what they overheard was relayed to the control room, along the lines that the two bodies found, one dead male (was a murder), and the other female body (was a suicide) prior to the 07:45am call by "Linda", in the control room, to DS Davidson, at his home address...

Therefore, PS Bews, PC Myall and PS Saxby (CA07) all had knowlege that two bodies had been found upon entry, because they were the ones responsible for passing the crucial radio message to the control room, timed at 7:48am, "body of one dead male, body of one dead female, found on entry", nothing could be any clearer, whats more the information relayed by CA07 at that time via radio, was also being recorded via the exchange line eavesdropped as per the 999 link up...

Interesting.

[Patti]

where is our Mike today....

[mike tesko]

Control room was receiving information from the scene, via the exchange line, and police radio, at 7:38am, at the time two bodies had been found upon entry to the premises. This is significant because the occupants of CA07 were not inside the farmouse at 7:38am, but the raid team were. Messages passed between the raid team and seniir officers, was relayed to the control room by CA07 upon that information been spoken about at the scene. Therefore, the control room was able to confirm by two sources that the raid team found two bodies upon entry to the kitchen, the body of one dead male, and the body of one dead female, facts confirmed via the exchange line link up using the 999 system, and secondly from the occupants of CA07, who were simply relaying what had been reported by members of the raid team, which the control room staff had confirmation of because the open telephone line was being recorded all the way up to 7:42am...

What is astonishing about all this, is that for over 27 years the occupants of CA07 have pretended they did not hear anything that might cast doubt on how many bodies were found upon entry, and the audio tapes upon which was recorded all this information, were allegedly taped over a month after the shootings - now, if there was any truth in the suggestion that police mistakenly identified Ralphs body for that of a dead female, there would not only be PC Collins, and PC Delgado, offering an explanation for what had taken place, but the audio recordings which actually recorded the entry from 7:37am, onwards, and corroborating witness statements from the occupants of CA07 would also be forthcoming to back up such a story...

[mike tesko]

Control room was receiving information from the scene, via the exchange line, and police radio, at 7:38am, at the time two bodies had been found upon entry to the premises. This is significant because the occupants of CA07 were not inside the farmouse at 7:38am, but the raid team were. Messages passed between the raid team and senior officers, was relayed to the control room by CA07 upon that information been spoken about at the scene. Therefore, the control room was able to confirm by two sources that the raid team found two bodies upon entry to the kitchen, the body of one dead male, and the body of one dead female, facts confirmed via the exchange line link up using the 999 system, and secondly from the occupants of CA07, who were simply relaying what had been reported by members of the raid team, which the control room staff had confirmation of because the open telephone line was being recorded all the way up to 7:42am...

What is astonishing about all this, is that for over 27 years the occupants of CA07 have pretended they did not hear anything that might cast doubt on how many bodies were found upon entry, and the audio tapes upon which was recorded all this information, were allegedly taped over a month after the shootings - now, if there was any truth in the suggestion that police mistakenly identified Ralphs body for that of a dead female, there would not only be PC Collins, and PC Delgado, offering an explanation for what had taken place, but the audio recordings which actually recorded the entry from 7:37am, onwards, and corroborating witness statements from the occupants of CA07 would also be forthcoming to back up such a story...

At this stage, think about the following:-

Imagine, that everything the police have said from start to finish, about the way  the raid was handled, and the way it panned out, is all true. It was true that only one body was found by police upon entry to the premises, the body of Ralph Bamber, mistakenly identified aa the body of a dead female? A mistake not rectified until thw raid team actually got into the kitchen. Arguably then this would be worthy of some sort of training or internal investigation once the operation was over and done with, and all the dust has settled. There would need to be an enquiry into how such a crucial and significant mistake could have been made at such a significant part of the firearms operation? In order to properly investigate this operational abberation, you would need access to every single piece of information and evidence already in the hands of the police, and at thier disposal. Such information would include witness statements and reports from all the officers in the case, logs and the audio recordings...

[mike tesko]

At this stage, think about the following:-

Imagine, that everything the police have said from start to finish, about the way  the raid was handled, and the way it panned out, is all true. It was true that only one body was found by police upon entry to the premises, the body of Ralph Bamber, mistakenly identified aa the body of a dead female? A mistake not rectified until thw raid team actually got into the kitchen. Arguably then this would be worthy of some sort of training or internal investigation once the operation was over and done with, and all the dust has settled. There would need to be an enquiry into how such a crucial and significant mistake could have been made at such a significant part of the firearms operation? In order to properly investigate this operational abberation, you would need access to every single piece of information and evidence already in the hands of the police, and at thier disposal. Such information would include witness statements and reports from all the officers in the case, logs and the audio recordings...

You would not tape over the most crucial audio recording, or erase it, if such a mistake was made by the raid team in mitakenly identifying a body for another one of the opposite sex, upon first entry into the kitchen... You would not stay silent if you were one of the officers responsible for relaying information from the scene to the control room, and you knew because of what you had overheard, that two bodies had been found, not one...

[mike tesko]

How astonishing that if the figure seen at the bedroom window, by Bews, Myall and Jeremy, was not a trick of light, it puts Jeremy in the clear. Similarly, how remarkable that if two bodies were found on entry to the kitchen at 7:37am, that this also puts Jeremy in the clear - imagine that its the same group of police officers, ( CA07) involved in both events. Where in the first instance, police changed sighting of figure at window into a trick of light, whereas in second event they have simply chosen to stay linent on the matter...

This cannot be just a coincidence...

[mike tesko]

Figure at window, and second body found downstairs are inextricably linked together, in helping to prove Jdremy Bamber killed no-one...

[Roch]

How astonishing that if the figure seen at the bedroom window, by Bews, Myall and Jeremy, was not a trick of light, it puts Jeremy in the clear. Similarly, how remarkable that if two bodies were found on entry to the kitchen at 7:37am, that this also puts Jeremy in the clear - imagine that its the same group of police officers, ( CA07) involved in both events. Where in the first instance, police changed sighting of figure at window into a trick of light, whereas in second event they have simply chosen to stay silent on the matter...

This cannot be just a coincidence...

Yeah.  Remarkable isn't it.

[tyler]

Are you on line Mike? I wondered if you could remind me what time the ambulances were sent away? I cannot seem to find the relevant document.
I think that I have finally worked out what occurred that morning.Not the murders themselves,but when the firearms team went in.Unfortunately,my theory does not totally exonerate JB but is still very damning and not much wide off the mark from your own theory.

[lookout]

Strange how two patrol cars were sent from different stations/areas, seeing as the police " hadn't received both calls ".?

[Steve_uk]

If the members of the raid team have found Sheila in the kitchen with Nevill how can they possibly lose track of her when there are so many of them and only one of her?

[lookout]

If the members of the raid team have found Sheila in the kitchen with Nevill how can they possibly lose track of her when there are so many of them and only one of her?

Easily Steve. Ever seen how gormless the police are at times.?