Scratch Marks

[vidvic]

Mike, is it true that at least one, 'horseshoe' shaped scratch mark, much shouted about on here, DOES appear on the original photos?....

[jon]

Mike, is it true that at least one, 'horseshoe' shaped scratch mark, much shouted about on here, DOES appear on the original photos?....

How difficult , do you believe it would be for two grown men struggling with a gun with a silencer attached to create a scratch in the shape of an horse shoe ?

[Roch]

The whole scratch-marks things looks like this to me.  Either there were or there were not some scratch-marks already present on the mantle.  Some may even have been caused on the night of the incident.  Some were very likely added later or 'improved'.  Because somebody probably got the idea that in order to bolster the silencer exhibit, the idea of 'scratch-marks' in an area where there had been a struggle would come in very handy.

If you have to improve scratch-marks in order to bolster the impact of an exhibit, which already has an absolutely horrible handling and custodial record... then 

I wonder what else has been spotted in the area relative to the struggle.. hmm let me think.

[vidvic]

The whole scratch-marks things looks like this to me.  Either there were or there were not some scratch-marks already present on the mantle.  Some may even have been caused on the night of the incident.  Some were very likely added later or 'improved'.  Because somebody probably got the idea that in order to bolster the silencer exhibit, the idea of 'scratch-marks' in an area where there had been a struggle would come in very handy.

If you have to improve scratch-marks in order to bolster the impact of an exhibit, which already has an absolutely horrible handling and custodial record... then 

I wonder what else has been spotted in the area relative to the struggle.. hmm let me think.

with all respect to both Roch and Jon, you're missing the point.

A key factor in the CCRC submissions and much trumpeted on here, is the fact that scratch marks appeared on the aga surround AFTER the SOC photos were taken, hence an allegation that either the Police or relatives bolstered the evidence.

It would seem that if you enlarge the SOC negatives enough, then you can clearly see scratch marks.

[Lugg]

Were these scratch marks in the original photographs that the police took of the scene of crime. That is on the first day they were there? If so were they suspicious as to what made those scratch marks?
Or were they only noticed when the relatives found the silencer? And was that the first time they were photographed?

[vidvic]

Were these scratch marks in the original photographs that the police took of the scene of crime. That is on the first day they were there? If so were they suspicious as to what made those scratch marks?
Or were they only noticed when the relatives found the silencer? And was that the first time they were photographed?

I'm suprised you don't know this Lugg. Level 1 Bamber. lol.

The took photos of kitchen with aga in background. After Relatives found silencer with paint on it, police photographed scratches. Claimed that no scratches are in original pics, but that, it seems is not true.

[lookout]

Why wouldn't Jeremy have taken the silencer with him and ditched it somewhere.?.

 " Psychopaths " don't sh*t on their own doorstep,they cover their tracks.

If it had been Jeremy,he left an awful lot of clues behind,according to those who think/say he's guilty.

[Steve_uk]

Why wouldn't Jeremy have taken the silencer with him and ditched it somewhere.?.

 " Psychopaths " don't sh*t on their own doorstep,they cover their tracks.

If it had been Jeremy,he left an awful lot of clues behind,according to those who think/say he's guilty.

Because Anthony Pargeter  frequented that gun cupboard and he would have noticed its absence.

[lookout]

Because Anthony Pargeter  frequented that gun cupboard and he would have noticed its absence.

Perhaps he did, and that's why it got replaced,eh.? Because it wasn't there when the police looked 3 times.

[Steve_uk]

Perhaps he did, and that's why it got replaced,eh.? Because it wasn't there when the police looked 3 times.

Can you point me to evidence which shows that Police made a thorough search of the gun cupboard?

[lookout]

Can you point me to evidence which shows that Police made a thorough search of the gun cupboard?

It depends which links you read,Steve,,but it has been mentioned quite a number of times that police searched the gun cupboard on more than one occasion.In fact,different officers did so,and the silencer wasn't there,until a few days later when it was found by DB. What a fluke that was.! Planted.?

As I said,if Jeremy had been the murderer,he'd have left no stone unturned and would have disposed of every bit of incriminating evidence,and that wasn't the case,was it.?

[Steve_uk]

It depends which links you read,Steve,,but it has been mentioned quite a number of times that police searched the gun cupboard on more than one occasion.In fact,different officers did so,and the silencer wasn't there,until a few days later when it was found by DB. What a fluke that was.! Planted.?

As I said,if Jeremy had been the murderer,he'd have left no stone unturned and would have disposed of every bit of incriminating evidence,and that wasn't the case,was it.?

I don't know about the silencer,but he was quick to ask for the bedding and carpets to be burned,and didn't he burn his wetsuit? He also had his parents' bodies cremated.

[lookout]

I don't know about the silencer,but he was quick to ask for the bedding and carpets to be burned,and didn't he burn his wetsuit? He also had his parents' bodies cremated.

Steve,carpets and bedding were burned by the police officers after they'd spoken to Jeremy.This was during the time that the verdict had been 4 murders and a suicide.
Did you honestly expect such soiled items to remain in that condition inside the farmhouse,and for how long.?
We don't know if Jeremys' parents hadn't already requested they be cremated. It could well have been written in their wills,as it usually is told to a solicitor when making a will.

[Jane]

I don't know about the silencer,but he was quick to ask for the bedding and carpets to be burned,and didn't he burn his wetsuit? He also had his parents' bodies cremated.

It's my understanding that the police sought his permission before disposing of them. As for the cremation of Neville and June, had they left instructions to the contrary? June had already written a "farewell" letter but hadn't included her wishes regarding burial.

[Steve_uk]

Steve,carpets and bedding were burned by the police officers after they'd spoken to Jeremy.This was during the time that the verdict had been 4 murders and a suicide.
Did you honestly expect such soiled items to remain in that condition inside the farmhouse,and for how long.?
We don't know if Jeremys' parents hadn't already requested they be cremated. It could well have been written in their wills,as it usually is told to a solicitor when making a will.

I will concede the first point but feel certain that with June's religious proclivities she would have wished for a burial.