Jeremy pre CCRC decision - audio interview

[curiousessex]

The link below is to an interview Jeremy gave to Eric Allison.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/audio/2011/jan/30/jeremy-bamber-murder-appeal-audio?intcmp=239


From 5 minutes -

Eric Allison “Everybody’s got this image of Sheila, you know the Bambi picture”

Jeremy “She was a successful model, Eric, and she was a beautiful model and she was physically in, you know when she was 17, 18, 19, stunning. She was a very gentle kind person and as a sister she was wonderful growing up, she looked after me, she cared for me and when I was 14 and 15 and she was modeling I used to love going up to London and staying with her and going out with all her modeling mates it was a wonderful (Eric Allison Hunh) You know they used to treat me just wonderfully.”

Eric Allison “I bet it was, yeah. Did you see anything coming in terms of…”

Jeremy “No, no”.

Eric Allison “Because obviously your case, you know, well, as was the case at trial the jury were told it was either Jeremy or Sheila.”

Jeremy “I had no idea and I, and I certainly have taken my share of blame, for not supporting her and not knowing, cos I didn’t know I hadn’t a clue.”

Eric Allison “No, and you have said that…”

Jeremy “And I wish I would have visited her when she was in hospital and understood and talked to the doctors. And I know Mum and Dad were the same they had not a clue either.”

Eric Allison “If the unthinkable happened, from your perspective…”

Jeremy “And they said NO on the 31st January”

Eric Allison “Yup, what then”

Jeremy (distinct change of tone) “Well we would start exposing some of the other stuff I know about. You know what I have not revealed all my hand to the CCRC much has come to light in the last year and I would mine that even more.”


What confuses me with this interview is if Jeremy hadn’t a clue in terms of Sheila's state of health why is it documented Jeremy, in the first instance, was so quick in identifying to the police Sheila was a ‘nutter’ and a ‘psychopath’.

The other thing which is not said but could be interpreted from Jeremy’s spoken words….. ‘And I wish I would have visited her when she was in hospital’ is despite Sheila having treated Jeremy so wonderfully when he was a teenager Jeremy was not even bothered to go and visit Sheila in Sheila's hours of need.

In terms of Jeremy’s reference to exposing other stuff he knows about maybe Mike has already told Jeremy about the copies he has of (i) itemised telephone bills and (ii) photographs of Sheila on the bed with a single gun shot wound to her neck. These will prove Jeremy innocent of the crimes for which he has been convicted.

Given the CCRC eventual decision maybe it would have been a better decision to deliver all the said items to Jeremy’s defence team rather than waiting for a more appropriate time. The interview is dated 30th January 2011…… now almost two years ago…….. no rush or time like the present.

[vidvic]

Bamber changes his story SHOCK....... Excellent post......

[Roch]

What confuses me with this interview is if Jeremy hadn’t a clue in terms of Sheila's state of health why is it documented Jeremy, in the first instance, was so quick in identifying to the police Sheila was a ‘nutter’ and a ‘psychopath’.

The other thing which is not said but could be interpreted from Jeremy’s spoken words….. ‘And I wish I would have visited her when she was in hospital’ is despite Sheila having treated Jeremy so wonderfully when he was a teenager Jeremy was not even bothered to go and visit Sheila in Sheila's hours of need.

Firstly, I think your top point is mischevious.  You appear to be confusing understanding with basic knowledge of / recognition of.  The level of genuine understanding of and sympathy towards mental health issues is probably far more open and progressive than it was in the early to mid 80's. 

Secondly, he appears to me to be describing the classic signs of regret that a person experiences after a serious loss.  I would say he is remorseful of not having done so, as many of us are remorseful for not having done things for loved ones, once the opportunity to ever do so again is taken away from us.

[curiousessex]

What confuses me with this interview is if Jeremy hadn’t a clue in terms of Sheila's state of health why is it documented Jeremy, in the first instance, was so quick in identifying to the police Sheila was a ‘nutter’ and a ‘psychopath’.

The other thing which is not said but could be interpreted from Jeremy’s spoken words….. ‘And I wish I would have visited her when she was in hospital’ is despite Sheila having treated Jeremy so wonderfully when he was a teenager Jeremy was not even bothered to go and visit Sheila in Sheila's hours of need.

Firstly, I think your top point is mischevious.  You appear to be confusing understanding with basic knowledge of / recognition of.  The level of genuine understanding of and sympathy towards mental health issues is probably far more open and progressive than it was in the early to mid 80's. 

Secondly, he appears to me to be describing the classic signs of regret that a person experiences after a serious loss.  I would say he is remorseful of not having done so, as many of us are remorseful for not having done things for loved ones, once the opportunity to ever do so again is taken away from us.

Roch.

I have stated I am confused.

I have merely quoted Jeremy's words as spoken by Jeremy.

It is Jeremy who states he 'Hadn't a clue' and 'Had no idea' no matter what form that may take.

Yet Jeremy, from a family whom he freely admits liked to keep things within the family (this being Jeremy's stated explanation for Nevil having chosen to ring Jeremy as opposed to dialing 999), at a very early opportunity and before any police have entered WHF has already detailed Sheila, his wonderful sister, as being a 'nutter' and a 'psychopath'.

Surely, the furnishing of such information in such a short space of time and before any bodies have been discovered is inconsistent when compared to the same person later detailing they 'Hadn't a clue' or 'Had no idea'?

[Steve_uk]

Thanks for posting curiousessex. I wonder why Sheila felt intimidated in front of Jeremy at the party on the Saturday night when she had to ask Colin to ask Jeremy for her about getting a lift home.

The other thing about mental illness was the controversial Care in the Community policy,which led to the reduction of beds and many people with mental health issues left to rot in bed and breakfast accommodation. I don't have the figures to hand but this led to an increase in suicides among these patients who would otherwise have had the stability a hospital ward afforded.http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2055459/Care-community-100bn-failure-says-Iain-Duncan-Smith-think-tank.html

[Steve_uk]

The suspicion was that the government of the time regarded this policy as a public expenditure saving issue rather than as a means of liberating the mentally ill from the often imposing and frightening Victorian institutions.http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/care-in-the-community-patients-left-isolated-and-destitute-policy-for-rehabilitating-mentally-ill-people-is-failing-in-practice-select-committee-finds-1371173.html

[Roch]

What confuses me with this interview is if Jeremy hadn’t a clue in terms of Sheila's state of health why is it documented Jeremy, in the first instance, was so quick in identifying to the police Sheila was a ‘nutter’ and a ‘psychopath’.

The other thing which is not said but could be interpreted from Jeremy’s spoken words….. ‘And I wish I would have visited her when she was in hospital’ is despite Sheila having treated Jeremy so wonderfully when he was a teenager Jeremy was not even bothered to go and visit Sheila in Sheila's hours of need.

Firstly, I think your top point is mischevious.  You appear to be confusing understanding with basic knowledge of / recognition of.  The level of genuine understanding of and sympathy towards mental health issues is probably far more open and progressive than it was in the early to mid 80's. 

Secondly, he appears to me to be describing the classic signs of regret that a person experiences after a serious loss.  I would say he is remorseful of not having done so, as many of us are remorseful for not having done things for loved ones, once the opportunity to ever do so again is taken away from us.

Roch.

I have stated I am confused.

I have merely quoted Jeremy's words as spoken by Jeremy.

It is Jeremy who states he 'Hadn't a clue' and 'Had no idea' no matter what form that may take.

Yet Jeremy, from a family whom he freely admits liked to keep things within the family (this being Jeremy's stated explanation for Nevil having chosen to ring Jeremy as opposed to dialing 999), at a very early opportunity and before any police have entered WHF has already detailed Sheila, his wonderful sister, as being a 'nutter' and a 'psychopath'.

Surely, the furnishing of such information in such a short space of time and before any bodies have been discovered is inconsistent when compared to the same person later detailing they 'Hadn't a clue' or 'Had no idea'?

I take it to mean that he had some knowledge and recognition of Sheila having suffered from mental health issues of sufficient enough magnitude to warrant hospital treatment.  Which in the 80's might be described as being a 'nutter'. 

That doesn't mean that he had any understanding of conflicts between good and evil as played out within the torment in her mind, nor any foreknowledge regarding potentially catastrophic consequences of such torment. 

That is how I read it.  He knew she was a 'nutter' without knowing what a 'nutter' was actually going through.  He obviously has a far better understanding of that now. 

[curiousessex]

Firstly, I think your top point is mischevious.  You appear to be confusing understanding with basic knowledge of / recognition of.  The level of genuine understanding of and sympathy towards mental health issues is probably far more open and progressive than it was in the early to mid 80's. 

Secondly, he appears to me to be describing the classic signs of regret that a person experiences after a serious loss.  I would say he is remorseful of not having done so, as many of us are remorseful for not having done things for loved ones, once the opportunity to ever do so again is taken away from us.



Roch.

I have stated I am confused.

I have merely quoted Jeremy's words as spoken by Jeremy.

It is Jeremy who states he 'Hadn't a clue' and 'Had no idea' no matter what form that may take.

Yet Jeremy, from a family whom he freely admits liked to keep things within the family (this being Jeremy's stated explanation for Nevil having chosen to ring Jeremy as opposed to dialing 999), at a very early opportunity and before any police have entered WHF has already detailed Sheila, his wonderful sister, as being a 'nutter' and a 'psychopath'.

Surely, the furnishing of such information in such a short space of time and before any bodies have been discovered is inconsistent when compared to the same person later detailing they 'Hadn't a clue' or 'Had no idea'?


I take it to mean that he had some knowledge and recognition of Sheila having suffered from mental health issues of sufficient enough magnitude to warrant hospital treatment.  Which in the 80's might be described as being a 'nutter'. 

That doesn't mean that he had any understanding of conflicts between good and evil as played out within the torment in her mind, nor any foreknowledge regarding potentially catastrophic consequences of such torment. 

That is how I read it.  He knew she was a 'nutter' without knowing what a 'nutter' was actually going through.  He obviously has a far better understanding of that now.

Then why mention and throw into the equation Sheila was a 'nutter' or a 'psychopath' as a possible explanation or reason for events unfolding once the police had become involved.

[Steve_uk]

Firstly, I think your top point is mischevious.  You appear to be confusing understanding with basic knowledge of / recognition of.  The level of genuine understanding of and sympathy towards mental health issues is probably far more open and progressive than it was in the early to mid 80's. 

Secondly, he appears to me to be describing the classic signs of regret that a person experiences after a serious loss.  I would say he is remorseful of not having done so, as many of us are remorseful for not having done things for loved ones, once the opportunity to ever do so again is taken away from us.



Roch.

I have stated I am confused.

I have merely quoted Jeremy's words as spoken by Jeremy.

It is Jeremy who states he 'Hadn't a clue' and 'Had no idea' no matter what form that may take.

Yet Jeremy, from a family whom he freely admits liked to keep things within the family (this being Jeremy's stated explanation for Nevil having chosen to ring Jeremy as opposed to dialing 999), at a very early opportunity and before any police have entered WHF has already detailed Sheila, his wonderful sister, as being a 'nutter' and a 'psychopath'.

Surely, the furnishing of such information in such a short space of time and before any bodies have been discovered is inconsistent when compared to the same person later detailing they 'Hadn't a clue' or 'Had no idea'?


I take it to mean that he had some knowledge and recognition of Sheila having suffered from mental health issues of sufficient enough magnitude to warrant hospital treatment.  Which in the 80's might be described as being a 'nutter'. 

That doesn't mean that he had any understanding of conflicts between good and evil as played out within the torment in her mind, nor any foreknowledge regarding potentially catastrophic consequences of such torment. 

That is how I read it.  He knew she was a 'nutter' without knowing what a 'nutter' was actually going through.  He obviously has a far better understanding of that now.

I always sense something concealed between the surface somehow with Jeremy,a feeling I have not had since the departure of Tony Blair. Of course one can forgive his labelling of Sheila as a nutter as 90% of people wouldn't know any better in the 1980s,but if only Jeremy would say that he did have rows with her and his parents yet he didn't kill them it would in my mind be more believable than this sanitised version of an idyllic childhood which in my opinion stopped when he was sent to Gresham's at eight years old.

[Roch]

I always sense something concealed between the surface somehow with Jeremy,a feeling I have not had since the departure of Tony Blair. Of course one can forgive his labelling of Sheila as a nutter as 90% of people wouldn't know any better in the 1980s,but if only Jeremy would say that he did have rows with her and his parents yet he didn't kill them it would in my mind be more believable than this sanitised version of an idyllic childhood which in my opinion stopped when he was sent to Gresham's at eight years old.

That's a fair post. I too feel there is a sanitised idyllic version given.  However I do wonder if this is the result of rose tinted specs, glimpsing the past, a free life in the outside world.  Most people look upon their youth with rose tinted specs.

[Roch]

http://jeremybamber.blogspot.co.uk/

[curiousessex]

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Roch

I have read the articles which are all very well written and compiled with heartfelt words.

You know my ROCH Index which is on display for all to see.

I am also very open to being incorrect and often encourage Mike to reveal the alleged information that, to me, would prove Jeremy innocent but, at present, to no avail.

However, there is one thing that did strike me when reading the articles written by Jeremy.

How would one who is convinced of Jeremy being innocent feel if any new evidence came to light which further and categorically supported the Jury in the verdict they had reached in 1986?

What would such evidence, if it came to light, make of / mean for Jeremy and the articles written?

What would you think of the articles in such a scenario?

[Jane]

That's a fair post. I too feel there is a sanitised idyllic version given.  However I do wonder if this is the result of rose tinted specs, glimpsing the past, a free life in the outside world.  Most people look upon their youth with rose tinted specs.

Speaking from experience, I feel it's more likely to be a question of holding on to a belief system that once he lets go of will cause his whole life to be stripped away which is a very painful experience. The one good thing about it is from there the only way is up.

[Patti]

http://jeremybamber.blogspot.co.uk/

Just read this Roch, it is compelling.  "I just want to be free"   

[Roch]

Roch

I have read the articles which are all very well written and compiled with heartfelt words.

You know my ROCH Index which is on display for all to see.

I am also very open to being incorrect and often encourage Mike to reveal the alleged information that, to me, would prove Jeremy innocent but, at present, to no avail.

However, there is one thing that did strike me when reading the articles written by Jeremy.

How would one who is convinced of Jeremy being innocent feel if any new evidence came to light which further and categorically supported the Jury in the verdict they had reached in 1986?

What would such evidence, if it came to light, make of / mean for Jeremy and the articles written?

What would you think of the articles in such a scenario?

The evidence contrary to protestations of innocence would have to be extremely strong. It would have to get past perceived sightings of rifles at upstairs windows and much more.  Can you imagine if a truth commission similar to the panel that looked at Hillsborough got hold of this case?  There would be carnage among prosecution witnesses and evidence.  There would be no need for me to take 'cheap shots' at Ann Eaton because there would be no hiding place for Ann Eaton.