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News on the march: Bamber was framed!
« on: November 04, 2012, 03:41:AM »
DAILY EXCLUSIVE

THE WHITEHOUSE FARM MURDERS

BAMBER WAS FRAMED!

Documentation of silencer evidence proves that Essex Police and Bamber’s relatives conspired to to frame him for the murders.

ALSO

We know that Ann Eaton lied in Court when she said she could not remember whether the police or Julie mugford had told her about the body of Sheila being on the bed with a bible on the chest. Her earlier statements and notebooks contradict what she tried to maintain in court. Geoffrey Rivlin, defending, exposed her as a liar when cross examining.

We, THE DAILY, publish the Trial transcript revealing her dishonesty when answering Mr. Rivlin’s questions.

Relatives and police lied when they said that the silencer was handed in to the police on August 10th 1985. Robert Boutflour made a phone call to Anthony Pargeter in which he said that the silencer was in his possession AFTER that date according to Pargeter. The silencer had in fact been returned to the house by police BEFORE Boutflour allegedly  “found” it. We publish Pargeter’s statement below.

Bamber, an adopted son of Nevill and June Bamber, was deprived of his inheritance by scheming relatives, who made statements to blacken his character. Jeremy’s dear cousin Ann Eaton even commented that Jeremy did not seem off his food after his family were murdered-as if that were an indication of guilt.

The Proof that Julie Mugford lied.

Jilted girlfriend Julie Mugford lied when she said that Bamber had confessed to the murders. She said that Bamber had told her that he had hired a hit man Matthew Macdonald to carry out the killings. She said that, before carrying out the murders, Bamber had told her that he was STRANGLING RATS to test his courage. We know, however, that Mugford made up this account because Macdonald was found to have a CAST IRON ALIBI. Also, the description of Sheila on the bed with a bible on her chest, allegedly invented by Jeremy, corresponds EXACTLY to the account given by a policeman to Ann Eaton. WHAT A STRANGE COINCIDENCE!

According to the Prosecution Bamber had shot Sheila and left her body on the floor and stage managed it to look like suicide. So WHY did a policeman tell Ann Eaton that Sheila’s body was found on the BED with a BIBLE on her chest? And HOW could Jeremy have just made up a description of the murder scene which corresponded EXACTLY to what that policeman had told Ann Eaton? We, at THE DAILY, think that the answer is very simple:

When wicked Julie Mugford made up the story of Jeremy’s confession she included in it INFORMATION THAT SHE HAD GOT FROM ANN EATON. Where else could the description of Sheila with the bible on her chest have come from? The prosecution can’t maintain that it could have been Jeremy who left Sheila on the bed, but that he had told Julie that Macdonald had done it, because that would be to admit that it was the POLICE who had moved the body from the bed to floor and that it was the police who stage managed it to look like suicide-the latter two actions being the truth of what occurred.

We, at THE DAILY, have come to the following conclusions with respect to what really happened.

The policeman who told Ann Eaton that Sheila’s body was on the bed at a certain stage was TELLING THE TRUTH. Indeed, what reason would he have had to lie? Ann Eaton and Julie Mugford naturally believed the account which they had been given.

When Mugford told the Police that Jeremy had confessed, she obviously thought that the details of  the position of the body with the bible on it would add AUTHENTICITY to her account -since policemen had, indeed, witnessed that scene according to DC MICK CLARK who Ann Eaton said had described the murder scene to her. Things went badly WRONG, however, when the story of Macdonald’s involvement had to be rejected. This basically exposed Mugford as a LIAR. Unfortunately for Jeremy the jury were FOOLED by the silencer evidence, which is now known to have been faked, and found him guilty by a 10-2 majority.

DAILY reporter Anton Koprowski spoke to long time Bamber campaigner Mike Tesko.

Mike Tesko:
“The general public at large must not let this group of conspirators get away with falsifying evidence of this nature, it is time for the public voice to be heard regarding this matter. All those involved in this wicked, evil, despicable conspiracy need to be arrested, charged, convicted, locked up and the key thrown away…”

HOW LONG MUST JEREMY BAMBER WAIT FOR JUSTICE?


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Re: News on the March: Bamber was Framed!
« Reply #1 on: November 04, 2012, 04:45:AM »

From a statement by Anthony Pargeter.

“Sometime AFTER the 10 August 1985, I received a telephone call from David Boutflour who is a cousin of mine. He told me the silencer had been returned to the family, presumably by the police. He said there was a large scratch on it, some red paint on the knurled end and what appeared to be blood. I advised David to return it to the police straight away.

A day or two after the funeral I went to the kitchen of the farm because there is red paint around the aga. I noticed scoring on the paint work and it appeared to me that this could be where the paint on the silence came from. The scoring is on the underside of the mantelpiece at the right hand side.”

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Re: News on the March: Bamber was Framed!
« Reply #2 on: November 04, 2012, 04:47:AM »
From Geoffrey Rivlin’s cross examination of prosecution witness Ann Eaton.

MR. RIVLIN: Mrs. Eaton, I would just like to ask you one or two questions, if I
may, about Julie Mugford and one or two things that happened when you were
present. I think you were present when Julie Mugford returned from the
Mortuary?
 
A. I was in the car when she went.
 
Q. And so you were with her when she came back?

A Yes.

Q. Did she appear to be upset?

 A. She asked if she could smoke, and she said
it was not as bad as she thought it was going to be.

Q. I would like to ask you another thing about Julie Mugford, and it is this
something I was going to ask you before the luncheon adjournment- there
came a stage shortly after the events when a police officer told you something
in confidence, did he not, about what had happened and what had been found?
Do you remember? He told you, amongst other things, that when 'Sheila had
been found there was a bible on her chest?

A. I did hear there was a bible on her chest.

MR. JUSTICE DRAKE (To the witness): Did you hear it from the policeman is the
question?

A. I cannot remember, but I heard it whilst in Jeremy's cottage.

MR. RIVLIN: Let remind you. Is it not right that one of the police officers
told you that Uncle Nevill was in the kitchen near the coal scuttle, that the
twins were in their beds, shot?

A. Yes.

Q. That Aunt June Bamber and Sheila were both on the bed, shot, with Sheila having
a bible on her chest, with the gun beside her?

A. Yes.

Q. And is it right that shortly after that infomation had been imparted to you,
you had a conversation with Julie Mugford, and you told Julie that when Sheila.
had been found there had been a bible found on her chest?

A. I really cannot remember who told me the bible was on the chest.

MR JUSTICE DRAKE (To the witness): That is not the question now, but it is right
you should tell us. You do not remember who told you that Sheila was found
with the bible on her chest, but the question now is, whoever it was who told
you that, did you pass that on to Julie?

A. I do not remember. I did have a conversation with Julie about the same time. She said to me Sheila kept
saying, I thought she said she was a "white wedge", or perhaps it was a “white
witch", but I do not remember who told me that the bible was on the chest.

MR. JUSTICE DRAKE: I do not think we have the full answer yet, Mr. Rivlin.

MR. RIVLIN: Would you accept that it was, in fact, one of the officers who told
you that Sheila was found with a bible on her chest and the gun beside her?

A. I cannot remember who told me the bible was on her chest, so I am saying
it could have been Julie. I cannot remember who told me.

Q. In those circumstances I think that I must show the document to the witness.

MR. JUSTICE DRAKE: What the witness just said is “it could have been Julie who
told me that" - that Sheila was found with a bible on her chest. (To the
witness): Wherereas the question you are being asked is put the other way around
That someone told you and you told Julie that she had been found with a bible
on her chest. That is the question. If you cannot answer, you cannot?

A. I cannot remember. I just remember Julie saying something about Sheila
said she was a “white wedge", which I thought she said, but it turned out she
thought she was a "white witch", but I cannot remember who told me about the
bible.

MR. RIVLIN: Could you remember at the time who told you about the bible?

A. I cannot remember.

Q. You made statements to the police officers, did you not, in this case, and I
would like you to look, please, at a statement which is dated 8th September
1985. (Same handed). Your signature appears on this document. Is it a
typewritten document? Does it bear your signature?

A. No.

MR RIVLIN: I am told that the original is outside.

MR. ARLIDGE: I will have it checked with the original.

MR RIVLIN: Do you see that? The third paragraph. Does it read as follows:
"One of the officers told me that Uncle Nevill Bamber was in the kitchen near
the coal scuttle. The twins were in their bed, shot, Aunt June and Sheila
Bamber both on the bed, shot, with Sheila Bamber having a bible on her
chest with the gun beside her"?

A. Yes.

Q. Does that help you to remember, Mrs. Eaton? You did say that to the police?

A. Yes, I must have done, because it is written down here. I can remember
the policeman telling me Uncle Nevill was beside the coal scuttle, the twins
were in their beds, shot, Auntie June and Sheila were on the bed with the gun
between them, and I asked how they were shot, and he went like this. I do
not know who told me. I am sorry. Maybe it was a mistake. Asking me now.
I cannot  remember who told me.

Q. What I have done is this: I have shown you a statement in which you said that
the police told you that?

 A. Yes.

Q. And it is a statement that you made in September last year?

A. Yes.

Q. A month and a day or so after the event?

A. Yes.

Q. And at that time were you able to remember that the police had given you that
information, because it appears in your statement?

A. It appears so, but
there were a lot of people in the house at the time and I was asking a lot of
people a lot of questions. I am trying to listen at the same time and make
coffee.

Q. And you did have a discussion with Julie, did you not? I am not suggesting
anything improper in this?

A. She said Sheila did say she was a white, and
I thought she said "wedge", because I did not know what she was talking about,
and I said to somebody "Julie said Sheila was a white wedge. What is that?"
and she said "She meant a white witch, I suppose."

Q. You told Julie that Sheila had been found with the bible on her chest?

A. I cannot remember. You are asking me now, and there are certain things
I can remember now. It is very difficult. It was along time ago and I am
only trying to tell the truth.
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Re: News on the March: Bamber was Framed!
« Reply #3 on: November 04, 2012, 04:48:AM »
Mike Tesko’s analysis of  of Julie Mugford’s evidence.

YOU KNOW WHO KILLED YOU.....DON'T YOU ?

Friday, February 4, 2011

Is Julia Mugford a pathological liar ?

On page 23 of Julie Mugfords witness statement which she made on 8th September 1985, the following information appears  "I have been asked if I have read or been told about a bible found on Sheila's chest when she was found dead. I can definitely say I haven't but it was told to me by Jeremy. I will add that sometime after the 7th August 1985, Ann Eaton asked me if I knew about a bible which was near Sheila and I told her that I did and that it was found on her chest. I think I told her it was creepy. I think she asked me about the bible on the Friday of the week of the murders."..

On page 11 (typed version of Mugford's statement) she states the following:-

"I asked Jeremy if the twins and Sheila had felt anything and he told me the boys were still asleep and didn't wake up and that Sheila had lay down on the bed and shot herself under the orders of Matthew who then put a bible on her chest"..

I would invite the reader to consider how Mugford could have told Ann Eaton about the bible being on top of Sheila's body and that her body was found on the bed, if the crime scene photographs show Sheila's body on the bedroom floor?

Also, how could Mugford have told Ann Eaton these things without also telling her how she knew Sheila's body was on the bed and that the bible was on her chest?
In contrast, Ann Eaton, told the COLP investigation (1991) that she had been told by a police officer who she could not remember the name of, about Sheila's body being found on the bed and that the bible was on top of her body when she was found..

If Mugford told Ann Eaton about Sheila's body being found on the bed and the bible being on top of her chest at the time she was found, then I would suggest that this would be something that Ann Eaton would never forget..

She could not be mistaken about who she had got this information form..

If Ann Eaton was told these things by Mugford, why does Ann Eaton lie about who she received this information from?
The answer is - collusion..

Mugford and the relatives were colluding together and this collusion is what caused Robert Boutflour to go and see ACC Peter Simpson at Essex police headquarters and how he was able to persuade him to open a new investigation into the five deaths..

Robert Boutflour was armed with all the information contained in Mugford's statement, which came into force two days after he had managed to get ACC Peter Simpson to start a fresh investigation..

The fact that Mugford had seemingly gone to the police (7th September 1985) the day after Robert Boutflour had managed to persuade ACC Peter Simpson to open up the case again, tells its own story and cannot be just a coincidence that she should be talking to the police on a voluntary basis the day after Robert Boutflour succeeds in getting the case re-opened..

Mugfords statement (8th September 1985) details matters relating to a downstairs window at the farm through which Bamber could get into and out of the house and also the use of June Bambers bicycle to get too and fro, from the scene, to enable him to commit the murders, but later the relatives would claim that it was they who had discovered these crucial pieces of evidence..

The reader is also invited to consider why there is no official mention by either of the relatives or Mugford herself, that they ever got together at any stage to discuss what must have taken place?

In my opinion, there is clear evidence that Mugford and the relatives colluded to make out a false case against Bamber, alleging that he was responsible for killing his family..

If the jury had been made aware of this, I believe it would have had a considerable impact upon the verdict..

I would also like to add, that Essex police must have also been well aware of the collusion which had taken place (prior to the 7th September 1985) between Mugford and the relatives because they took the statement from Mugford (8th September 1985) which outlines how Mugford told Ann Eaton about the bible being on Sheila's chest and that her body was found on the bed, the details of which were recorded in Mugford's statement on that date..

For some reason..

Mugford and the relatives and Essex police failed to bring these very crucial matters to the attention of the court (1986)..
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Re: News on the march: Bamber was framed!
« Reply #4 on: November 04, 2012, 08:24:AM »
Well,well, well. Though some of us already knew that indeed Jeremy had been framed,,this is a real eye-opener. Those concerned should hang their heads in shame.

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Re: News on the march: Bamber was framed!
« Reply #5 on: November 04, 2012, 01:22:PM »
Why did Ann Eaton keep talking about Sheila being a "white wedge/witch" whenever she was asked if she remembered who told her Sheila was on the bed?

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« Reply #6 on: November 04, 2012, 01:30:PM »
Why did Ann Eaton keep talking about Sheila being a "white wedge/witch" whenever she was asked if she remembered who told her Sheila was on the bed?


Hello Alias. Possibly to divert attention away from a question she either couldn't/wouldn't answer OR to give herself thinking time.

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Re: News on the march: Bamber was framed!
« Reply #7 on: November 04, 2012, 02:46:PM »
DAILY EXCLUSIVE

THE WHITEHOUSE FARM MURDERS

BAMBER WAS FRAMED!

Documentation of silencer evidence proves that Essex Police and Bamber’s relatives conspired to to frame him for the murders.

ALSO

We know that Ann Eaton lied in Court when she said she could not remember whether the police or Julie mugford had told her about the body of Sheila being on the bed with a bible on the chest. Her earlier statements and notebooks contradict what she tried to maintain in court. Geoffrey Rivlin, defending, exposed her as a liar when cross examining.

We, THE DAILY, publish the Trial transcript revealing her dishonesty when answering Mr. Rivlin’s questions.

Relatives and police lied when they said that the silencer was handed in to the police on August 10. Robert Boutflour made a phone call to Anthony Pargeter in which he said that the silencer was in his possession AFTER that date according to Pargeter. The silencer had in fact been returned to the house by police BEFORE Boutflour allegedly  “found” it. We publish Pargeter’s statement below.

Bamber, an adopted son of Nevill and June Bamber, was deprived of his inheritance by scheming relatives, who made statements to blacken his character. Jeremy’s dear cousin Ann Eaton even commented that Jeremy did not seem off his food after his family were murdered-as if that were an indication of guilt.

The Proof that Julie Mugford lied.

Jilted girlfriend Julie Mugford lied when she said that Bamber had confessed to the murders. She said that Bamber had told her that he had hired a hit man Matthew Macdonald to carry out the killings. She said that, before carrying out the murders, Bamber had told her that he was STRANGLING RATS to test his courage. We know, however, that Mugford made up this account because Macdonald was found to have a CAST IRON ALIBI. Also, the description of Sheila on the bed with a bible on her chest, allegedly invented by Jeremy, corresponds EXACTLY to the account given by a policeman to Ann Eaton. WHAT A STRANGE COINCIDENCE!

According to the Prosecution Bamber had shot Sheila and left her body on the floor and stage managed it to look like suicide. So WHY did a policeman tell Ann Eaton that Sheila’s body was found on the BED with a BIBLE on her chest? And HOW could Jeremy have just made up a description of the murder scene which corresponded EXACTLY to what that policeman had told Ann Eaton? We, at THE DAILY, think that the answer is very simple:

When wicked Julie Mugford made up the story of Jeremy’s confession she included in it INFORMATION THAT SHE HAD GOT FROM ANN EATON. Where else could the description of Sheila with the bible on her chest have come from? The prosecution can’t maintain that it could have been Jeremy who left Sheila on the bed, but that he had told Julie that Macdonald had done it, because that would be to admit that it was the POLICE who had moved the body from the bed to floor and that it was the police who stage managed it to look like suicide-the latter two actions being the truth of what occurred.

We, at THE DAILY, have come to the following conclusions with respect to what really happened.

The policeman who told Ann Eaton that Sheila’s body was on the bed at a certain stage was TELLING THE TRUTH. Indeed, what reason would he have had to lie? Ann Eaton and Julie Mugford naturally believed the account which they had been given.

When Mugford told the Police that Jeremy had confessed, she obviously thought that the details of  the position of the body with the bible on it would add AUTHENTICITY to her account -since policemen had, indeed, witnessed that scene according to D.C. MICK CLARK who Ann Eaton said had described the murder scene to her. Things went badly WRONG, however, when the story of Macdonald’s involvement had to be rejected. This basically exposed Mugford as a LIAR. Unfortunately for Jeremy the jury were FOOLED by the silencer evidence, which is now known to have been faked, and found him guilty by a 10-2 majority.

DAILY reporter Anton Koprowski spoke to long time Bamber campaigner Mike Tesko.

Mike Tesko:
“The general public at large must not let this group of conspirators get away with falsifying evidence of this nature, it is time for the public voice to be heard regarding this matter. All those involved in this wicked, evil, despicable conspiracy need to be arrested, charged, convicted, locked up and the key thrown away…”

HOW LONG MUST JEREMY BAMBER WAIT FOR JUSTICE?

A Fictitious but Possible Interview

Jeremy,you have been incarcerated now in prison for 27 years,in 17 different prisons and 89 cell moves. You were told in 1994 that you would die behind bars,so it’s quite possible that you will spend the next 27 years under the same circumstances you have experienced heretofore..

Jeremy Bamber: Yes you could say I have been moved around a bit. But I don’t have a choice now,all my options have been exhausted and with my full life tariff determined by Home Secretary Michael Howard I may as well sit it out here and hope my Defence team uncovers new grounds for appeal.

Steve_uk: You’ve had many changes of legal team:Bruce Bowler,Paul Terezon,Geoffrey Rivilin,Edmund Lawson,David Martin-Sperry, Ewen Smith,Giovanni Di Stefano and Barry Woods. Do you have an opinion of the legal profession in general and do you think that they have helped you in the way that they should..

Jeremy Bamber: In retrospect I should have stuck with Bruce Bowler and not contacted Napley. But I had a contract with the Sun for £50,000 dependent on acquittal and thought it would be money well spent. You have to fight fire with fire..

Steve_uk: Jeremy, if we go back in time to when you were 8 years old..in retrospect do you think this is when the animosity towards your family was engendered?

Jeremy Bamber: You’re referring to when I was sent to Gresham’s School. Yes,I’m afraid I didn’t understand my parents’ decision at all. I understood that they wanted to adopt for the joy and comfort children would bring them,and yet they packed me off to an alien and uncaring environment when what I needed was continuity and stability. I found it hard to adapt. I had to take a back seat..

Steve_uk: And yet there are thousands of boys every year in your position,boys who are sent away to receive the best education money can buy,when parents believe that they are doing the best they can for them..

Jeremy Bamber: The money was wasted as I wasn’t so clever to begin with. I had trouble with spelling and could never write very much..all that red ink on the page when my essays were handed back..it was a real demotivator.

Steve_uk: One justification your father Nevill made for his decision was that you would have to employ local labourers on the farm later in life and it was better if you were seen to be from a different social class..

Jeremy Bamber: Yes I can see that. But all that did was make me greedy and expectant. It was taken for granted that I would take over the farm. But I wasn’t cut out for that type of work. I felt intimidated by my father who had a real feel for the land.

Steve_uk: Your father was an agricultural student who had married into money. He felt that he had to prove his worth to them. Yet you had no such feeling..

Jeremy Bamber: No,farming is bloody hard work. There’s always something to be done at every time of year.Your clothes always stink. You are tied to the farm with no holidays to speak of. I felt resentful that I had been adopted not through love but to maintain a business for which I cared very little.

Steve_uk: Yet many would have been grateful for a job in the Thatcher Britain of the 1980s..

Jeremy Bamber: Yes,but I was brought up amongst posh public school types. The boys in my year all went into the family business or the army. I took it for granted that I would always have money..

Steve_uk: A modicum of greed there perhaps..

Jeremy Bamber: I was 18 when Margaret Thatcher came to power. Nevill and June voted for her-they were hard workers and they were community spirited,but after Gresham’s my parents were a stranger to me..

Steve_uk: You could say that you wanted the money and power without the responsibility that entailed..

Jeremy Bamber: There is some truth in that. The Dallas/Dynasty culture. Everything was possible if you had money. I was greedy and selfish..

I twisted my body a little in my chair as I asked:greedy and selfish enough to commit murder?

Jeremy looked at me point blank: “The thought came to me in the Summer of 1983 when Sheila was hospitalised for schizophrenia. I had been to the London clubs with her and met her friends and we had a good time,Jeremy recalls. But suddenly she became withdrawn and depressed. She expressed thoughts about killing the twins..”

Steve_uk: Your parents bought her a flat in an exclusive area of London,June would visit her and give her the dividend from Osea Road. Did you feel resentful?

Jeremy Bamber: She was receiving preferential treatment. By March 1985 her medical bills had reached £15,000. A similar sum was spent on my mother. They were both ill and couldn’t relate to me,nor I to them..

Steve_uk: And yet you were expected to work all hours on the farm. And furnish a rented house yourself which had belonged to one of your father’s farm workers..

Jeremy Bamber(eagerly): Yes,and I couldn’t manage. It’s important to have money whilst you’re young..

Steve_uk: Wouldn’t people say that killing five members of your family was a little drastic,if you’ll pardon the litotes..

Jeremy Bamber: It was all in my mind;I wasn’t serious about it at first. Sheila gave me the idea by saying that she had thought about killing the twins..I thought bloody hell what a mixed –up wretch she must have been. The twins were suffering,they were disturbed and had no life..

Steve_uk: Yet who are you to play God and kill them and your parents?

Jeremy Bamber: June was a basket case who had caused Sheila’s mental instability in the first place. I couldn’t talk to either of them. If this is what God has done to two people I’m glad I’m an atheist.

Steve_uk: And Neville?

Jeremy Bamber: He’d been ill those past few months,what with the business and trying to keep June and Sheila on an even keel. But I do miss the old man occasionally..

Steve_uk: And yet you have never confessed to the crimes,not even to Julie..

Jeremy Bamber: Who would I confess to? As I say,there is no God. If I told an inmate in here I’d be dead within the week. I’ve already been attacked once..

Steve_uk: You’re always the victim Jeremy aren’t you..this interview is terminated..
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« Reply #8 on: November 04, 2012, 03:11:PM »
5th Sept: Julie Mugford arrested?

6th Sept: RWB meets ACC Simpson and persuades him to open a new investigation

6th Sept: Kineally reports to DCS Ainsley; ACC Simpson; CC Bunyard.  He is expected by Ainsley and Simpson to play ball and switch from SC to JB.  But he does not do so.  Simpson is furious.

7th Sept: Julie Mugford is purported to have presented to police voluntarily to 'unburden' her self.

8th Sept: Julie Mugford 1st statement.

10th Sept: AP statement citing previous phone call from DB some time after 10th Aug, re silencer having been returned to relatives 'presumably' by police - he advises that DB return it back to police!

11th Sept: Phone call from DB to police with regards to the finding of a silencer

11th Sept: DC Oakley attends AE's house to collect a silencer which is the referred to SOCO DCI Wright at Chelmsford

16th Sept: ACC Simpson quoted in press regarding a silencer having been found on the day of the killings.  Later retracted

17th Sept: ACC Simpson quoted in press regarding a silencer having been found on the day of the killings.  Later retracted.

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Re: News on the march: Bamber was framed!
« Reply #9 on: November 04, 2012, 03:21:PM »
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A Fictitious but Possible Interview[/u]

Jeremy,you have been incarcerated now in prison for 27 years,in 17 different prisons and 89 cell moves. You were told in 1994 that you would die behind bars,so it’s quite possible that you will spend the next 27 years under the same circumstances you have experienced heretofore..

Jeremy Bamber: Yes you could say I have been moved around a bit. But I don’t have a choice now,all my options have been exhausted and with my full life tariff determined by Home Secretary Michael Howard I may as well sit it out here and hope my Defence team uncovers new grounds for appeal.

Steve_uk: You’ve had many changes of legal team:Bruce Bowler,Paul Terezon,Geoffrey Rivilin,Edmund Lawson,David Martin-Sperry, Ewen Smith,Giovanni Di Stefano and Barry Woods. Do you have an opinion of the legal profession in general and do you think that they have helped you in the way that they should..

Jeremy Bamber: In retrospect I should have stuck with Bruce Bowler and not contacted Napley. But I had a contract with the Sun for £50,000 dependent on acquittal and thought it would be money well spent. You have to fight fire with fire..

Steve_uk: Jeremy, if we go back in time to when you were 8 years old..in retrospect do you think this is when the animosity towards your family was engendered?

Jeremy Bamber: You’re referring to when I was sent to Gresham’s School. Yes,I’m afraid I didn’t understand my parents’ decision at all. I understood that they wanted to adopt for the joy and comfort children would bring them,and yet they packed me off to an alien and uncaring environment when what I needed was continuity and stability. I found it hard to adapt. I had to take a back seat..

Steve_uk: And yet there are thousands of boys every year in your position,boys who are sent away to receive the best education money can buy,when parents believe that they are doing the best they can for them..

Jeremy Bamber: The money was wasted as I wasn’t so clever to begin with. I had trouble with spelling and could never write very much..all that red ink on the page when my essays were handed back..it was a real demotivator.

Steve_uk: One justification your father Nevill made for his decision was that you would have to employ local labourers on the farm later in life and it was better if you were seen to be from a different social class..

Jeremy Bamber: Yes I can see that. But all that did was make me greedy and expectant. It was taken for granted that I would take over the farm. But I wasn’t cut out for that type of work. I felt intimidated by my father who had a real feel for the land.

Steve_uk: Your father was an agricultural student who had married into money. He felt that he had to prove his worth to them. Yet you had no such feeling..

Jeremy Bamber: No,farming is bloody hard work. There’s always something to be done at every time of year.Your clothes always stink. You are tied to the farm with no holidays to speak of. I felt resentful that I had been adopted not through love but to maintain a business for which I cared very little.

Steve_uk: Yet many would have been grateful for a job in the Thatcher Britain of the 1980s..

Jeremy Bamber: Yes,but I was brought up amongst posh public school types. The boys in my year all went into the family business or the army. I took it for granted that I would always have money..

Steve_uk: A modicum of greed there perhaps..

Jeremy Bamber: I was 18 when Margaret Thatcher came to power. Nevill and June voted for her-they were hard workers and they were community spirited,but after Gresham’s my parents were a stranger to me..

Steve_uk: You could say that you wanted the money and power without the responsibility that entailed..

Jeremy Bamber: There is some truth in that. The Dallas/Dynasty culture. Everything was possible if you had money. I was greedy and selfish..

I twisted my body a little in my chair as I asked:greedy and selfish enough to commit murder?

Jeremy looked at me point blank: “The thought came to me in the Summer of 1983 when Sheila was hospitalised for schizophrenia. I had been to the London clubs with her and met her friends and we had a good time,Jeremy recalls. But suddenly she became withdrawn and depressed. She expressed thoughts about killing the twins..”

Steve_uk: Your parents bought her a flat in an exclusive area of London,June would visit her and give her the dividend from Osea Road. Did you feel resentful?

Jeremy Bamber: She was receiving preferential treatment. By March 1985 her medical bills had reached £15,000. A similar sum was spent on my mother. They were both ill and couldn’t relate to me,nor I to them..

Steve_uk: And yet you were expected to work all hours on the farm. And furnish a rented house yourself which had belonged to one of your father’s farm workers..

Jeremy Bamber(eagerly): Yes,and I couldn’t manage. It’s important to have money whilst you’re young..

Steve_uk: Wouldn’t people say that killing five members of your family was a little drastic,if you’ll pardon the litotes..

Jeremy Bamber: It was all in my mind;I wasn’t serious about it at first. Sheila gave me the idea by saying that she had thought about killing the twins..I thought bloody hell what a mixed –up wretch she must have been. The twins were suffering,they were disturbed and had no life..

Steve_uk: Yet who are you to play God and kill them and your parents?

Jeremy Bamber: June was a basket case who had caused Sheila’s mental instability in the first place. I couldn’t talk to either of them. If this is what God has done to two people I’m glad I’m an atheist.

Steve_uk: And Neville?

Jeremy Bamber: He’d been ill those past few months,what with the business and trying to keep June and Sheila on an even keel. But I do miss the old man occasionally..

Steve_uk: And yet you have never confessed to the crimes,not even to Julie..

Jeremy Bamber: Who would I confess to? As I say,there is no God. If I told an inmate in here I’d be dead within the week. I’ve already been attacked once..

Steve_uk: You’re always the victim Jeremy aren’t you..this interview is terminated..

You haven’t addressed the main point I made which is that Julie Mugford could only have gotten the story of Sheila being on the bed with the bible on her chest from Ann Eaton or from the police. If Jeremy made it up and told her that, how come the police gave exactly the same description to Ann Eaton?

From a pro guilt point of view, the policeman who told Ann Eaton must have been misinformed and what Jeremy told Julie Mugford about Matthew Macdonald leaving Sheila’s body on the bed with the bible on her chest must have been an invention-because the police allegedly found Sheila’s body on the floor. How could Ann Eaton have gotten exactly the same wrong information and with such precise details from two completely separate sources? In truth the very notion is completely absurd!
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Re: News on the march: Bamber was framed!
« Reply #10 on: November 04, 2012, 03:27:PM »
5th Sept: Julie Mugford arrested?

6th Sept: RWB meets ACC Simpson and persuades him to open a new investigation

6th Sept: Kineally reports to DCS Ainsley; ACC Simpson; CC Bunyard.  He is expected by Ainsley and Simpson to play ball and switch from SC to JB.  But he does not do so.  Simpson is furious.

7th Sept: Julie Mugford is purported to have presented to police voluntarily to 'unburden' her self.

8th Sept: Julie Mugford 1st statement.

10th Sept: AP statement citing previous phone call from DB some time after 10th Aug, re silencer having been returned to relatives 'presumably' by police - he advises that DB return it back to police!

11th Sept: Phone call from DB to police with regards to the finding of a silencer

11th Sept: DC Oakley attends AE's house to collect a silencer which is the referred to SOCO DCI Wright at Chelmsford

16th Sept: ACC Simpson quoted in press regarding a silencer having been found on the day of the killings.  Later retracted

17th Sept: ACC Simpson quoted in press regarding a silencer having been found on the day of the killings.  Later retracted.

Could Simpson have been telling the truth. At any rate, the police must have had the silencer in their possession to be able to return it to the family.


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« Reply #11 on: November 04, 2012, 03:28:PM »
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Jeremy,you have been incarcerated now in prison for 27 years,in 17 different prisons and 89 cell moves. You were told in 1994 that you would die behind bars,so it’s quite possible that you will spend the next 27 years under the same circumstances you have experienced heretofore..

Jeremy Bamber: Yes you could say I have been moved around a bit. But I don’t have a choice now,all my options have been exhausted and with my full life tariff determined by Home Secretary Michael Howard I may as well sit it out here and hope my Defence team uncovers new grounds for appeal.

Steve_uk: You’ve had many changes of legal team:Bruce Bowler,Paul Terezon,Geoffrey Rivilin,Edmund Lawson,David Martin-Sperry, Ewen Smith,Giovanni Di Stefano and Barry Woods. Do you have an opinion of the legal profession in general and do you think that they have helped you in the way that they should..

Jeremy Bamber: In retrospect I should have stuck with Bruce Bowler and not contacted Napley. But I had a contract with the Sun for £50,000 dependent on acquittal and thought it would be money well spent. You have to fight fire with fire..

Steve_uk: Jeremy, if we go back in time to when you were 8 years old..in retrospect do you think this is when the animosity towards your family was engendered?

Jeremy Bamber: You’re referring to when I was sent to Gresham’s School. Yes,I’m afraid I didn’t understand my parents’ decision at all. I understood that they wanted to adopt for the joy and comfort children would bring them,and yet they packed me off to an alien and uncaring environment when what I needed was continuity and stability. I found it hard to adapt. I had to take a back seat..

Steve_uk: And yet there are thousands of boys every year in your position,boys who are sent away to receive the best education money can buy,when parents believe that they are doing the best they can for them..

Jeremy Bamber: The money was wasted as I wasn’t so clever to begin with. I had trouble with spelling and could never write very much..all that red ink on the page when my essays were handed back..it was a real demotivator.

Steve_uk: One justification your father Nevill made for his decision was that you would have to employ local labourers on the farm later in life and it was better if you were seen to be from a different social class..

Jeremy Bamber: Yes I can see that. But all that did was make me greedy and expectant. It was taken for granted that I would take over the farm. But I wasn’t cut out for that type of work. I felt intimidated by my father who had a real feel for the land.

Steve_uk: Your father was an agricultural student who had married into money. He felt that he had to prove his worth to them. Yet you had no such feeling..

Jeremy Bamber: No,farming is bloody hard work. There’s always something to be done at every time of year.Your clothes always stink. You are tied to the farm with no holidays to speak of. I felt resentful that I had been adopted not through love but to maintain a business for which I cared very little.

Steve_uk: Yet many would have been grateful for a job in the Thatcher Britain of the 1980s..

Jeremy Bamber: Yes,but I was brought up amongst posh public school types. The boys in my year all went into the family business or the army. I took it for granted that I would always have money..

Steve_uk: A modicum of greed there perhaps..

Jeremy Bamber: I was 18 when Margaret Thatcher came to power. Nevill and June voted for her-they were hard workers and they were community spirited,but after Gresham’s my parents were a stranger to me..

Steve_uk: You could say that you wanted the money and power without the responsibility that entailed..

Jeremy Bamber: There is some truth in that. The Dallas/Dynasty culture. Everything was possible if you had money. I was greedy and selfish..

I twisted my body a little in my chair as I asked:greedy and selfish enough to commit murder?

Jeremy looked at me point blank: “The thought came to me in the Summer of 1983 when Sheila was hospitalised for schizophrenia. I had been to the London clubs with her and met her friends and we had a good time,Jeremy recalls. But suddenly she became withdrawn and depressed. She expressed thoughts about killing the twins..”

Steve_uk: Your parents bought her a flat in an exclusive area of London,June would visit her and give her the dividend from Osea Road. Did you feel resentful?

Jeremy Bamber: She was receiving preferential treatment. By March 1985 her medical bills had reached £15,000. A similar sum was spent on my mother. They were both ill and couldn’t relate to me,nor I to them..

Steve_uk: And yet you were expected to work all hours on the farm. And furnish a rented house yourself which had belonged to one of your father’s farm workers..

Jeremy Bamber(eagerly): Yes,and I couldn’t manage. It’s important to have money whilst you’re young..

Steve_uk: Wouldn’t people say that killing five members of your family was a little drastic,if you’ll pardon the litotes..

Jeremy Bamber: It was all in my mind;I wasn’t serious about it at first. Sheila gave me the idea by saying that she had thought about killing the twins..I thought bloody hell what a mixed –up wretch she must have been. The twins were suffering,they were disturbed and had no life..

Steve_uk: Yet who are you to play God and kill them and your parents?

Jeremy Bamber: June was a basket case who had caused Sheila’s mental instability in the first place. I couldn’t talk to either of them. If this is what God has done to two people I’m glad I’m an atheist.

Steve_uk: And Neville?

Jeremy Bamber: He’d been ill those past few months,what with the business and trying to keep June and Sheila on an even keel. But I do miss the old man occasionally..

Steve_uk: And yet you have never confessed to the crimes,not even to Julie..

Jeremy Bamber: Who would I confess to? As I say,there is no God. If I told an inmate in here I’d be dead within the week. I’ve already been attacked once..

Steve_uk: You’re always the victim Jeremy aren’t you..this interview is terminated..

You haven’t addressed the main point I made which is that Julie Mugford could only have gotten the story of Sheila being on the bed with the bible on her chest from Ann Eaton or from the police. If Jeremy made it up and told her that, how come the police gave exactly the same description to Ann Eaton?

From a pro guilt point of view the policeman who told Ann Eaton must have been misinformed and what Jeremy told Julie Mugford about Matthew Macdonald leaving Sheila’s body on the bed with the bible on her chest must have been an invention-because the police allegedly found Sheila’s body on the floor. How could Ann Eaton have gotten exactly the same wrong information and with such precise details from two completely separate sources? In truth the very notion is completely absurd!

Who knows what Ann Eaton overheard that first morning at the cottage in Goldhanger. Everyone was in a state of shock except Jeremy who had had many months to be prepared for the onslaught of questions. There were so many rumours flying around such as two bodies found in the kitchen and a further three upstairs. Julie's statement does stack up because she includes the detail that a glove came off in the fight with Nevill,which was backed up by the fingerprint evidence when Jeremy had to wipe the murder weapon. None of that was released to the press.

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Re: News on the march: Bamber was framed!
« Reply #12 on: November 04, 2012, 03:30:PM »
5th Sept: Julie Mugford arrested?

6th Sept: RWB meets ACC Simpson and persuades him to open a new investigation

6th Sept: Kineally reports to DCS Ainsley; ACC Simpson; CC Bunyard.  He is expected by Ainsley and Simpson to play ball and switch from SC to JB.  But he does not do so.  Simpson is furious.

7th Sept: Julie Mugford is purported to have presented to police voluntarily to 'unburden' her self.

8th Sept: Julie Mugford 1st statement.

10th Sept: AP statement citing previous phone call from DB some time after 10th Aug, re silencer having been returned to relatives 'presumably' by police - he advises that DB return it back to police!

11th Sept: Phone call from DB to police with regards to the finding of a silencer

11th Sept: DC Oakley attends AE's house to collect a silencer which is the referred to SOCO DCI Wright at Chelmsford

16th Sept: ACC Simpson quoted in press regarding a silencer having been found on the day of the killings.  Later retracted

17th Sept: ACC Simpson quoted in press regarding a silencer having been found on the day of the killings.  Later retracted.

Could Simpson have been telling the truth. At any rate, the police must have had the silencer in their possession to be able to return it to the family.

Several queries spring to mind.  One such being around exactly when DCI Thomas Jones was removed and what part DCS Ainsley played in the original investigation?

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« Reply #13 on: November 04, 2012, 03:33:PM »
Quote from: Steve_uk

[u
A Fictitious but Possible Interview[/u]

Jeremy,you have been incarcerated now in prison for 27 years,in 17 different prisons and 89 cell moves. You were told in 1994 that you would die behind bars,so it’s quite possible that you will spend the next 27 years under the same circumstances you have experienced heretofore..

Jeremy Bamber: Yes you could say I have been moved around a bit. But I don’t have a choice now,all my options have been exhausted and with my full life tariff determined by Home Secretary Michael Howard I may as well sit it out here and hope my Defence team uncovers new grounds for appeal.

Steve_uk: You’ve had many changes of legal team:Bruce Bowler,Paul Terezon,Geoffrey Rivilin,Edmund Lawson,David Martin-Sperry, Ewen Smith,Giovanni Di Stefano and Barry Woods. Do you have an opinion of the legal profession in general and do you think that they have helped you in the way that they should..

Jeremy Bamber: In retrospect I should have stuck with Bruce Bowler and not contacted Napley. But I had a contract with the Sun for £50,000 dependent on acquittal and thought it would be money well spent. You have to fight fire with fire..

Steve_uk: Jeremy, if we go back in time to when you were 8 years old..in retrospect do you think this is when the animosity towards your family was engendered?

Jeremy Bamber: You’re referring to when I was sent to Gresham’s School. Yes,I’m afraid I didn’t understand my parents’ decision at all. I understood that they wanted to adopt for the joy and comfort children would bring them,and yet they packed me off to an alien and uncaring environment when what I needed was continuity and stability. I found it hard to adapt. I had to take a back seat..

Steve_uk: And yet there are thousands of boys every year in your position,boys who are sent away to receive the best education money can buy,when parents believe that they are doing the best they can for them..

Jeremy Bamber: The money was wasted as I wasn’t so clever to begin with. I had trouble with spelling and could never write very much..all that red ink on the page when my essays were handed back..it was a real demotivator.

Steve_uk: One justification your father Nevill made for his decision was that you would have to employ local labourers on the farm later in life and it was better if you were seen to be from a different social class..

Jeremy Bamber: Yes I can see that. But all that did was make me greedy and expectant. It was taken for granted that I would take over the farm. But I wasn’t cut out for that type of work. I felt intimidated by my father who had a real feel for the land.

Steve_uk: Your father was an agricultural student who had married into money. He felt that he had to prove his worth to them. Yet you had no such feeling..

Jeremy Bamber: No,farming is bloody hard work. There’s always something to be done at every time of year.Your clothes always stink. You are tied to the farm with no holidays to speak of. I felt resentful that I had been adopted not through love but to maintain a business for which I cared very little.

Steve_uk: Yet many would have been grateful for a job in the Thatcher Britain of the 1980s..

Jeremy Bamber: Yes,but I was brought up amongst posh public school types. The boys in my year all went into the family business or the army. I took it for granted that I would always have money..

Steve_uk: A modicum of greed there perhaps..

Jeremy Bamber: I was 18 when Margaret Thatcher came to power. Nevill and June voted for her-they were hard workers and they were community spirited,but after Gresham’s my parents were a stranger to me..

Steve_uk: You could say that you wanted the money and power without the responsibility that entailed..

Jeremy Bamber: There is some truth in that. The Dallas/Dynasty culture. Everything was possible if you had money. I was greedy and selfish..

I twisted my body a little in my chair as I asked:greedy and selfish enough to commit murder?

Jeremy looked at me point blank: “The thought came to me in the Summer of 1983 when Sheila was hospitalised for schizophrenia. I had been to the London clubs with her and met her friends and we had a good time,Jeremy recalls. But suddenly she became withdrawn and depressed. She expressed thoughts about killing the twins..”

Steve_uk: Your parents bought her a flat in an exclusive area of London,June would visit her and give her the dividend from Osea Road. Did you feel resentful?

Jeremy Bamber: She was receiving preferential treatment. By March 1985 her medical bills had reached £15,000. A similar sum was spent on my mother. They were both ill and couldn’t relate to me,nor I to them..

Steve_uk: And yet you were expected to work all hours on the farm. And furnish a rented house yourself which had belonged to one of your father’s farm workers..

Jeremy Bamber(eagerly): Yes,and I couldn’t manage. It’s important to have money whilst you’re young..

Steve_uk: Wouldn’t people say that killing five members of your family was a little drastic,if you’ll pardon the litotes..

Jeremy Bamber: It was all in my mind;I wasn’t serious about it at first. Sheila gave me the idea by saying that she had thought about killing the twins..I thought bloody hell what a mixed –up wretch she must have been. The twins were suffering,they were disturbed and had no life..

Steve_uk: Yet who are you to play God and kill them and your parents?

Jeremy Bamber: June was a basket case who had caused Sheila’s mental instability in the first place. I couldn’t talk to either of them. If this is what God has done to two people I’m glad I’m an atheist.

Steve_uk: And Neville?

Jeremy Bamber: He’d been ill those past few months,what with the business and trying to keep June and Sheila on an even keel. But I do miss the old man occasionally..

Steve_uk: And yet you have never confessed to the crimes,not even to Julie..

Jeremy Bamber: Who would I confess to? As I say,there is no God. If I told an inmate in here I’d be dead within the week. I’ve already been attacked once..

Steve_uk: You’re always the victim Jeremy aren’t you..this interview is terminated..

You haven’t addressed the main point I made which is that Julie Mugford could only have gotten the story of Sheila being on the bed with the bible on her chest from Ann Eaton or from the police. If Jeremy made it up and told her that, how come the police gave exactly the same description to Ann Eaton?

From a pro guilt point of view the policeman who told Ann Eaton must have been misinformed and what Jeremy told Julie Mugford about Matthew Macdonald leaving Sheila’s body on the bed with the bible on her chest must have been an invention-because the police allegedly found Sheila’s body on the floor. How could Ann Eaton have gotten exactly the same wrong information and with such precise details from two completely separate sources? In truth the very notion is completely absurd!

Who knows what Ann Eaton overheard that first morning at the cottage in Goldhanger. Everyone was in a state of shock except Jeremy who had had many months to be prepared for the onslaught of questions. There were so many rumours flying around such as two bodies found in the kitchen and a further three upstairs. Julie's statement does stack up because she includes the detail that a glove came off in the fight with Nevill,which was backed up by the fingerprint evidence when Jeremy had to wipe the murder weapon. None of that was released to the press.

Your assertion that Jeremy was not in a state of shock is contradicted by numerous statements from the scene of the incident.

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« Reply #14 on: November 04, 2012, 03:38:PM »
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Jeremy,you have been incarcerated now in prison for 27 years,in 17 different prisons and 89 cell moves. You were told in 1994 that you would die behind bars,so it’s quite possible that you will spend the next 27 years under the same circumstances you have experienced heretofore..

Jeremy Bamber: Yes you could say I have been moved around a bit. But I don’t have a choice now,all my options have been exhausted and with my full life tariff determined by Home Secretary Michael Howard I may as well sit it out here and hope my Defence team uncovers new grounds for appeal.

Steve_uk: You’ve had many changes of legal team:Bruce Bowler,Paul Terezon,Geoffrey Rivilin,Edmund Lawson,David Martin-Sperry, Ewen Smith,Giovanni Di Stefano and Barry Woods. Do you have an opinion of the legal profession in general and do you think that they have helped you in the way that they should..

Jeremy Bamber: In retrospect I should have stuck with Bruce Bowler and not contacted Napley. But I had a contract with the Sun for £50,000 dependent on acquittal and thought it would be money well spent. You have to fight fire with fire..

Steve_uk: Jeremy, if we go back in time to when you were 8 years old..in retrospect do you think this is when the animosity towards your family was engendered?

Jeremy Bamber: You’re referring to when I was sent to Gresham’s School. Yes,I’m afraid I didn’t understand my parents’ decision at all. I understood that they wanted to adopt for the joy and comfort children would bring them,and yet they packed me off to an alien and uncaring environment when what I needed was continuity and stability. I found it hard to adapt. I had to take a back seat..

Steve_uk: And yet there are thousands of boys every year in your position,boys who are sent away to receive the best education money can buy,when parents believe that they are doing the best they can for them..

Jeremy Bamber: The money was wasted as I wasn’t so clever to begin with. I had trouble with spelling and could never write very much..all that red ink on the page when my essays were handed back..it was a real demotivator.

Steve_uk: One justification your father Nevill made for his decision was that you would have to employ local labourers on the farm later in life and it was better if you were seen to be from a different social class..

Jeremy Bamber: Yes I can see that. But all that did was make me greedy and expectant. It was taken for granted that I would take over the farm. But I wasn’t cut out for that type of work. I felt intimidated by my father who had a real feel for the land.

Steve_uk: Your father was an agricultural student who had married into money. He felt that he had to prove his worth to them. Yet you had no such feeling..

Jeremy Bamber: No,farming is bloody hard work. There’s always something to be done at every time of year.Your clothes always stink. You are tied to the farm with no holidays to speak of. I felt resentful that I had been adopted not through love but to maintain a business for which I cared very little.

Steve_uk: Yet many would have been grateful for a job in the Thatcher Britain of the 1980s..

Jeremy Bamber: Yes,but I was brought up amongst posh public school types. The boys in my year all went into the family business or the army. I took it for granted that I would always have money..

Steve_uk: A modicum of greed there perhaps..

Jeremy Bamber: I was 18 when Margaret Thatcher came to power. Nevill and June voted for her-they were hard workers and they were community spirited,but after Gresham’s my parents were a stranger to me..

Steve_uk: You could say that you wanted the money and power without the responsibility that entailed..

Jeremy Bamber: There is some truth in that. The Dallas/Dynasty culture. Everything was possible if you had money. I was greedy and selfish..

I twisted my body a little in my chair as I asked:greedy and selfish enough to commit murder?

Jeremy looked at me point blank: “The thought came to me in the Summer of 1983 when Sheila was hospitalised for schizophrenia. I had been to the London clubs with her and met her friends and we had a good time,Jeremy recalls. But suddenly she became withdrawn and depressed. She expressed thoughts about killing the twins..”

Steve_uk: Your parents bought her a flat in an exclusive area of London,June would visit her and give her the dividend from Osea Road. Did you feel resentful?

Jeremy Bamber: She was receiving preferential treatment. By March 1985 her medical bills had reached £15,000. A similar sum was spent on my mother. They were both ill and couldn’t relate to me,nor I to them..

Steve_uk: And yet you were expected to work all hours on the farm. And furnish a rented house yourself which had belonged to one of your father’s farm workers..

Jeremy Bamber(eagerly): Yes,and I couldn’t manage. It’s important to have money whilst you’re young..

Steve_uk: Wouldn’t people say that killing five members of your family was a little drastic,if you’ll pardon the litotes..

Jeremy Bamber: It was all in my mind;I wasn’t serious about it at first. Sheila gave me the idea by saying that she had thought about killing the twins..I thought bloody hell what a mixed –up wretch she must have been. The twins were suffering,they were disturbed and had no life..

Steve_uk: Yet who are you to play God and kill them and your parents?

Jeremy Bamber: June was a basket case who had caused Sheila’s mental instability in the first place. I couldn’t talk to either of them. If this is what God has done to two people I’m glad I’m an atheist.

Steve_uk: And Neville?

Jeremy Bamber: He’d been ill those past few months,what with the business and trying to keep June and Sheila on an even keel. But I do miss the old man occasionally..

Steve_uk: And yet you have never confessed to the crimes,not even to Julie..

Jeremy Bamber: Who would I confess to? As I say,there is no God. If I told an inmate in here I’d be dead within the week. I’ve already been attacked once..

Steve_uk: You’re always the victim Jeremy aren’t you..this interview is terminated..

You haven’t addressed the main point I made which is that Julie Mugford could only have gotten the story of Sheila being on the bed with the bible on her chest from Ann Eaton or from the police. If Jeremy made it up and told her that, how come the police gave exactly the same description to Ann Eaton?

From a pro guilt point of view the policeman who told Ann Eaton must have been misinformed and what Jeremy told Julie Mugford about Matthew Macdonald leaving Sheila’s body on the bed with the bible on her chest must have been an invention-because the police allegedly found Sheila’s body on the floor. How could Ann Eaton have gotten exactly the same wrong information and with such precise details from two completely separate sources? In truth the very notion is completely absurd!

Who knows what Ann Eaton overheard that first morning at the cottage in Goldhanger. Everyone was in a state of shock except Jeremy who had had many months to be prepared for the onslaught of questions. There were so many rumours flying around such as two bodies found in the kitchen and a further three upstairs. Julie's statement does stack up because she includes the detail that a glove came off in the fight with Nevill,which was backed up by the fingerprint evidence when Jeremy had to wipe the murder weapon. None of that was released to the press.

Your assertion that Jeremy was not in a state of shock is contradicted by numerous statements from the scene of the incident.

I've just read here that Ann Eaton noticed Jeremy wasn't off his food which is strange for someone who had vomited. I also take note of Jeremy's desire to be alone with Julie(why if the relationship had cooled?)and his assertion to her that "I should have been an actor".