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Offline mike tesko

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Gases and residue from the firing of the rifle were found on the left hand side of Sheila Caffells nightdress, a feature not reported on, which strongly suggests she fired the rifle on several occasions...
« Last Edit: October 17, 2012, 09:25:PM by mike tesko »
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Re: Gases/residue from gun found on nightdress worn by Sheila Caffell...
« Reply #1 on: October 18, 2012, 10:22:AM »
Well we know that she didn't use her nightdress to polish the rifle and its parts,as indeed it was used in aggression,as in a frenzied shooting.

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Re: Gases/residue from gun found on nightdress worn by Sheila Caffell...
« Reply #2 on: October 18, 2012, 11:51:AM »
Well we know that she didn't use her nightdress to polish the rifle and its parts,as indeed it was used in aggression,as in a frenzied shooting.

This from a woman who couldn't drive,couldn't pour boiling water into a cup to make tea,couldn't put beans on toast,yet reloaded a rifle twice without so much as cracking a nail..

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Re: Gases/residue from gun found on nightdress worn by Sheila Caffell...
« Reply #3 on: October 18, 2012, 12:00:PM »
This from a woman who couldn't drive,couldn't pour boiling water into a cup to make tea,couldn't put beans on toast,yet reloaded a rifle twice without so much as cracking a nail..


Steve,she hadn't had her quota of medication,as that tends to make you " zombie-like ". Instead,she'd had a spliff or two to give her dutch courage.

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Re: Gases/residue from gun found on nightdress worn by Sheila Caffell...
« Reply #4 on: October 18, 2012, 12:30:PM »

Steve,she hadn't had her quota of medication,as that tends to make you " zombie-like ". Instead,she'd had a spliff or two to give her dutch courage.

Jeremy was also using cannabis heavily from Christmas 1984. It's strange that there are gases left on Sheila's nightie,yet her hands have been conveniently washed for the Defence leaving them with barely a trace of lead on her hands..

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Re: Gases/residue from gun found on nightdress worn by Sheila Caffell...
« Reply #5 on: October 18, 2012, 12:36:PM »
Jeremy was also using cannabis heavily from Christmas 1984. It's strange that there are gases left on Sheila's nightie,yet her hands have been conveniently washed for the Defence leaving them with barely a trace of lead on her hands..

That was a year before the murders. It may have been new to him then,,but he'd have slowed down on the cannabis,especially if he was using farming equipment which you have to have a steady hand and head for. Sheila would have washed blood and all sorts off her hands anyway,before she ate supper 3 hours before her death,after the killings. " The Last Supper " scenario.

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Re: Gases/residue from gun found on nightdress worn by Sheila Caffell...
« Reply #6 on: October 18, 2012, 12:40:PM »
Jeremy was also using cannabis heavily from Christmas 1984. It's strange that there are gases left on Sheila's nightie,yet her hands have been conveniently washed for the Defence leaving them with barely a trace of lead on her hands..

Brass cases - it is relatively easy to pick up rounds without actually touching any lead at all. Easier still to load such rounds into the ammunition magazine of a rifle like the Pargeter rifle, or the Bamber rifle, without touching any lead component part of a .22 round...

What amazes me - is why no one commissioned tests to see if it was possible for someone like Sheila to pick up indivual rounds and load them into the ammunition magazine, from rounds tipped out of  a box onto a worktop, without any trace of lead at all being transferred from the brass bullet cases onto Sheila' s Hands? I suspect that if such tests had been done, or even at this late stage get done, it will give a far better insight into whether or not it was possible for Sheila to have handled bullets at all...
« Last Edit: October 18, 2012, 12:45:PM by mike tesko »
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Re: Gases/residue from gun found on nightdress worn by Sheila Caffell...
« Reply #7 on: October 18, 2012, 12:56:PM »
That was a year before the murders. It may have been new to him then,,but he'd have slowed down on the cannabis,especially if he was using farming equipment which you have to have a steady hand and head for. Sheila would have washed blood and all sorts off her hands anyway,before she ate supper 3 hours before her death,after the killings. " The Last Supper " scenario.

Well make your mind up-I thought it was the Feast of the Transfiguration she was supposed to be celebrating. Jeremy was heavy on cannabis which was just one more factor in this deadly cocktail of drugs,with Ann Eaton noticing Jeremy's heavily dilated pupils that Wednesday morning at Goldhanger,with whatever central nervous system stimulant that was caused by..

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Re: Gases/residue from gun found on nightdress worn by Sheila Caffell...
« Reply #8 on: October 18, 2012, 12:57:PM »
Brass cases - it is relatively easy to pick up rounds without actually touching any lead at all. Easier still to load such rounds into the ammunition magazine of a rifle like the Pargeter rifle, or the Bamber rifle, without touching any lead component part of a .22 round...

What amazes me - is why no one commissioned tests to see if it was possible for someone like Sheila to pick up indivual rounds and load them into the ammunition magazine, from rounds tipped out of  a box onto a worktop, without any trace of lead at all being transferred from the brass bullet cases onto Sheila' s Hands? I suspect that if such tests had been done, or even at this late stage get done, it will give a far better insight into whether or not it was possible for Sheila to have handled bullets at all...

Tests carried out by prosecution volunteers to pick up bullets and load them into the magazine of the rifle, involved such volunteers picking up individual rounds by the lead part of the rounds in question, and whilst loading them into the guns ammunition magazine, these were pressed/forced in by exerting the fingers on the exposed lead part of the bullet...

Bearing this in mind, you would expect to find traces of lead upon the hands and fingers of the volunteer who undertook or performed such tests in that/this manner - but imagine if that same volunteer had been instructed to pick up individual rounds without any contact at all with the lead part of a/the round, and load each one into the ammuniwion magazine of the same gun without touching any lead of/in the round, so that bullets were only loaded and pressed into position inside the ammunition magazine, only touching the brass caes, or brass lip/rim of each round, you would get a totally different set of results than those obtained, and what is more, these different results would be in keeping eith the very low levels of lead actually found upon the swabs taken from Sheila's hands...
« Last Edit: October 18, 2012, 01:17:PM by mike tesko »
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Re: Gases/residue from gun found on nightdress worn by Sheila Caffell...
« Reply #9 on: October 18, 2012, 01:14:PM »
Tests carried out by prosecution volunteers to pick up bullets and load them into the magazine of the rifle, involved such volunteers picking up individual rounds by the lead part of the rounds in question, and whilst loading them into the guns ammunition magazine, these were pressed/forced in by exerting the fingers on the exposed lead part of the bullet...

Bearing this in mind, you would expect to find traces of lead upon the hands and fingers of the volunteer who undertook or performed such tests in that/this manner - but imagine if that same volunteer had been instructed to pick up individual rounds without any contact at all with the lead part of a/the round, and load each one into the ammuniwion magazine of the same gun without touching any lead of/in the round, so that bullets were only loaded and pressed into position inside the ammunition magazine, only touching the brass caes, or brass lip/rim of each round, you would get a totally different set of results than those obtained, and what is more, these different results would be in keeping eith the very low levels of lead actually found upon the swabs taken from Sheila's hands...

..and yet only one fingerprint of Sheila's found on the murder weapon whilst in this state of psychosis,and no prints on the ammunition,along with the hidden telephone under a pile of magazines in the kitchen.

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Re: Gases/residue from gun found on nightdress worn by Sheila Caffell...
« Reply #10 on: October 18, 2012, 01:17:PM »
Well make your mind up-I thought it was the Feast of the Transfiguration she was supposed to be celebrating. Jeremy was heavy on cannabis which was just one more factor in this deadly cocktail of drugs,with Ann Eaton noticing Jeremy's heavily dilated pupils that Wednesday morning at Goldhanger,with whatever central nervous system stimulant that was caused by..
Steve  won't let you get away with that.  Jeremy had been up most of the night and hadn't eaten and he would therefore no doubt have had low blood sugar.  Low blood sugar causes dilated pupils.  Far more likely to have been the reason imo
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Re: Gases/residue from gun found on nightdress worn by Sheila Caffell...
« Reply #11 on: October 18, 2012, 01:21:PM »
..and yet only one fingerprint of Sheila's found on the murder weapon whilst in this state of psychosis,and no prints on the ammunition,along with the hidden telephone under a pile of magazines in the kitchen.
Steve...how do you know the telephone was hidden, it could quite easily have been placed on top of the magazines and fallen down behind them.

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Re: Gases/residue from gun found on nightdress worn by Sheila Caffell...
« Reply #12 on: October 18, 2012, 01:23:PM »
Steve  won't let you get away with that.  Jeremy had been up most of the night and hadn't eaten and he would therefore no doubt have had low blood sugar.  Low blood sugar causes dilated pupils.  Far more likely to have been the reason imo
STEVE, I have seen you post this before and ignore my answering post.  Anne Eaton would not know it but I assure you this is true...nothing sinister..Jeremy just needed his breakfast..you know the breakfast the police told him he needed to eat.

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Re: Gases/residue from gun found on nightdress worn by Sheila Caffell...
« Reply #13 on: October 18, 2012, 01:27:PM »
Steve  won't let you get away with that.  Jeremy had been up most of the night and hadn't eaten and he would therefore no doubt have had low blood sugar.  Low blood sugar causes dilated pupils.  Far more likely to have been the reason imo

Yes,he then pretended to be sick on nothing,then hours later gets his appetite back and gets the frying pan going,as appetite increase is a classic symptom of cannabis misuse.

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Re: Gases/residue from gun found on nightdress worn by Sheila Caffell...
« Reply #14 on: October 18, 2012, 01:29:PM »
..and yet only one fingerprint of Sheila's found on the murder weapon whilst in this state of psychosis,and no prints on the ammunition,along with the hidden telephone under a pile of magazines in the kitchen.

Many of the fingerprints found on the anshulz rifle were smudged - many of which could have been Sheila's fingerprints - it is not suprising that so many of the unchecked/smudged fingerprints were not or did not get developed, considering the number of occasions after police entered the farmhouse the rifle was handled by police officers without any of them wearing gloves on all the occasions the rifle in question was moved onto the body, off the body, onto the body, off the body and back onto the body, in time for PC Bird to come along and photograph the rifle on Sheila's body at a time when the fingers of her right hand, and the palm of the same hand, resting upon the metal plate and ammunition magazine of the gun, from which none of Sheila's fingerprints were found - how utterly ridiculous that Sheila's right hand is photographed on two very crucial parts of the rifle, yet none of Sheila's fingerprints were found there at eithet location/position...
« Last Edit: October 18, 2012, 01:31:PM by mike tesko »
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