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Re: Complaints made by Jeremy Bamber in 1990...
« Reply #30 on: October 18, 2012, 03:27:PM »
Ducky Drake was a regular at Cynthia Paynes parties, she said it live on the Wogan Show, she opened the front door and there was her favourite High Court Judge and she said I quote," Hello Ducky Drake"
 At the time She was promoting the book and film about her life.
Certainly put himself in a compromising position there eh campion? Vertile ground for blackmail if you ask me. ;)

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Re: Complaints made by Jeremy Bamber in 1990...
« Reply #31 on: October 18, 2012, 03:28:PM »
Campion I love that line 'subliminal messages from small birds'....brilliant  ;D ;D ;D

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Re: Complaints made by Jeremy Bamber in 1990...
« Reply #32 on: October 18, 2012, 03:30:PM »
 Steve UK, isn't there evidence that Julie Mugford entered a contract with the News of the World, the day before Bamber arrived at Dover, which is Contempt of Court as are the rules of such contracts.

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« Reply #33 on: October 18, 2012, 03:30:PM »
I am sad to say that i agree with Steve_uk. When i joined this forum I was 100% convinced that JB was innocent, but the more I read and understand, i am now nearly convinced of his guilt. Julie Mugford's statements have a total ring of truth to them, and there are too many instances of other people quoting JB as saying totally inappropriate things both before and after the murders. I think he is a very charming and clever person, who has spent the last two decades understanding and taking advantage of the MANY police screw ups involved in his case, mistakes which may free him one day. Certainly, whether he is guilty or innocent the police should be ashamed of the way this investigation was handled.

For those of you that believe JB to be innocent, please don't be annoyed with me - I want so much to be back in your camp but i cannot ignore what my head is telling me (which may change again of course...!)
Unfortunately it seems rather more a case of believing what Steve says rather than looking at the plain facts?
And when did you join? Oh yes 25th of September. Seems you really examined all the evidence in that time. I really cannot accept that you were 100% convinced of his innocence? I've examined this evidence for 27 years and I am still not persuaded that he did it.
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Re: Complaints made by Jeremy Bamber in 1990...
« Reply #34 on: October 18, 2012, 03:33:PM »
Steve UK, isn't there evidence that Julie Mugford entered a contract with the News of the World, the day before Bamber arrived at Dover, which is Contempt of Court as are the rules of such contracts.
Yes her story appeard in the News of the World the Sunday after the guilty verdict. Quick work eh? Julie Mugford when asked when she signed the contract replied rather conveniently "I don't remember".  ::) Hope she remembered to put the cheque in the bank. ;D

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Re: Complaints made by Jeremy Bamber in 1990...
« Reply #35 on: October 18, 2012, 03:36:PM »
Unfortunately it seems rather more a case of believing what Steve says rather than looking at the plain facts?
Boo, do you believe Jeremy is a psychopath eventhough 27 times of testing have said he shows not the slightest sign of any psychopathy/sociopathy tendencies or any sort of mental illness,  that he has a lower than average tendency to such disorders. Or do you think it's possible to do what he is found guilty of doing without any mental dissorder? 

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Re: Complaints made by Jeremy Bamber in 1990...
« Reply #36 on: October 18, 2012, 03:39:PM »
Steve, perhaps you could show where in each their statements they said those things that you quoted? You can't just casually throw out names like that to support your own ideas without some solid basis that those people said the same as you have.

Well I will do so of course but will only be accused of duplication in adversarial quarters:

1) Julie Mugford: Jeremy had planned the murders since Autumn 1984,having first drugged his parents' drinks to no effect,then dismissing burning down the farm because the house insurance was too low. True to type when Jeremy does get his hands on White House Farm it's the Meissen clock,other valuable ornaments,silverware and Nevill's video recorder which are removed by Jeremy and Brett Collins.

2) Charles Marsden: friend and acquaintance of Jeremy's whom Jeremy tries to keep onside by visiting him the first day after the murders. He had told Charles that his family would be all under one roof at Christmas 1984 and if the farm were to burn down then he would inherit everything.

3) Robert Boutflour: Jeremy spoke to him after the Osea Road Caravan Park robbery which he himself had perpetrated. As Boutflour dismissed Jeremy's suggestion of armed guards as vigilantism Jeremy replied: "Oh no Uncle Bobby,I could easily kill my parents".

4) Doris Foakes: Jeremy resented Sheila's apparent living it up in London in a flat bought her by June and Nevill,whereas Jeremy himself was castigated for not putting enough effort into the farm and had only a rented cottage belonging to a former farm worker. He tells Doris: "I'm not sharing any of my money with my sister".

5)Liz Rimington:"It's important to have money whilst you're young..I know I'm sick,I know I have such evil thoughts..I can't help it.."

6)James Richards(Goldsmiths student): testified under oath Jeremy had told him repeatedly with vehemence: "I f***ing hate my parents."

7) Barbara Wilson(farm secretary):Jeremy barked orders at her from Nevill's swivel office chair with his feet on the desk to "clear things out". She had also had a conversation with Nevill shortly before his death that "the shooting season is coming up..accidents do happen" and "I don't think I've got long.."

8)Ralph(Nevill) Bamber: "If he buys a 5 bore shotgun we'll all have to look out."

I could go on about Jeremy's refusal to answer Police questions,his attempt to sell nude photographs of Sheila to the Sun newspaper and his tearing up of photographs of the twins in the Maida Vale flat which he inherited directly as a result of their deaths.

His attempt to buy people off by paying for the funerals which he caused or the £400 he offered Julie for her silence was symptomatic of the wannabee yuppie in Thatcher's Britain,many of whom to coin a phrase "knew the price of everything and the value of nothing".
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Re: Complaints made by Jeremy Bamber in 1990...
« Reply #37 on: October 18, 2012, 03:47:PM »
To be fair Steve her testimony is just her word and nothing else. There is no one to back up her story that JB told her such things. And furthermore Bamber himself has also stuck to his story for 27 years as well. Yet you say that he is lying and Mugford is telling the truth?


I would be fascinated to know how the NOTW persuaded her to lift her skirt thigh high whilst they took her picture. Even more lurid is her foray into anal sex in her witness statement, which was character assassination from start to finish. They certainly were'nt intended to show Jeremy in a good light, to the point that she paints such a bad picture of him that one is left wondering about her own reasons for being in the relationship. According to what she would have us believe he didn't do a kind deed or utter a kind word from the start of their relationship. Difficult to work out what she ever saw in the version of his character she paints............save perhaps, the hope she would eventually come into money.

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Re: Complaints made by Jeremy Bamber in 1990...
« Reply #38 on: October 18, 2012, 03:49:PM »
Unfortunately it seems rather more a case of believing what Steve says rather than looking at the plain facts?
And when did you join? Oh yes 25th of September. Seems you really examined all the evidence in that time. I really cannot accept that you were 100% convinced of his innocence? I've examined this evidence for 27 years and I am still not persuaded that he did it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v6FH-xU_wVk&feature=relmfu  Nigerian crime scene.

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Re: Complaints made by Jeremy Bamber in 1990...
« Reply #39 on: October 18, 2012, 03:56:PM »
 I don't mean to be pernickety but in which Statement to the Police do "armed guards" at Osea Caravan Park appear. I would have thought even with Stan Jones fertile imagination he would have said "That sounds like a line from "Dylan" the Rabbit, I hope the Jurors aren't fans". ( For those of you unfamilliar with Dylan he was a peace loving hippy that played the guitar).

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Re: Complaints made by Jeremy Bamber in 1990...
« Reply #40 on: October 18, 2012, 04:00:PM »
 ps, a little detail I forgot to mention regarding "Dylan" he was also on acid 

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Re: Complaints made by Jeremy Bamber in 1990...
« Reply #41 on: October 18, 2012, 04:02:PM »
I don't mean to be pernickety but in which Statement to the Police do "armed guards" at Osea Caravan Park appear. I would have thought even with Stan Jones fertile imagination he would have said "That sounds like a line from "Dylan" the Rabbit, I hope the Jurors aren't fans". ( For those of you unfamilliar with Dylan he was a peace loving hippy that played the guitar).

Do you mean Bob Dylan ;D ;D ;D

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Re: Complaints made by Jeremy Bamber in 1990...
« Reply #42 on: October 18, 2012, 04:04:PM »
Do you mean Bob Dylan ;D ;D ;D
April, are you laughing at my hero? :o :o :o

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Re: Complaints made by Jeremy Bamber in 1990...
« Reply #43 on: October 18, 2012, 04:05:PM »
Steve or anyone...  have I picked this up wrong?  (Reply 7)

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=3375.msg132808;topicseen#msg132808

It's the way I picked it up - I read this statement ages ago and it's always bothered me but I don't think anyone gives the same account about the silencer.

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Re: Complaints made by Jeremy Bamber in 1990...
« Reply #44 on: October 18, 2012, 04:06:PM »
I'm confused! Does all this mean that the silencer was returned to David Boutflour after he had found it and had handed it in to the police, or does it mean that the police had it first and that they gave to David Boutflour, so that he could pretend to have found it?

It's all very strange!