Complaints made by Jeremy Bamber in 1990...

[mike tesko]

List of Jeremys Complaints...

[Caroline R]

Number 1 makes sense of this statement by Anthony Pargeter (paragraph 1.)

[Martin]

Number 1 makes sense of this statement by Anthony Pargeter (paragraph 1.)

Bamber’s allegations.

1 That police officers returned the sound moderator to members of his family, where with police knowledge it was tampered with and then returned to the police, where evidence was found. (statement pages 2 - 5)

2 That collusion took place between police officers and witnesses to put paint on the silencer. (statement page 9)

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7 That collusion took place between police officers and David Boutflour in making a statement which contains false evidence.

From a statement by Anthony Pargeter.

Sometime after the 10 August 1985, I received a telephone call from David Boutflour who is a cousin of mine. He told me the silencer had been returned to the family, presumably by the police. He said there was a large scratch on it, some red paint on the knurled end and what appeared to be blood. I advised David to return it to the police straight away.

A day or two after the funeral I went to the kitchen of the farm because there is red paint around the aga. I noticed scoring on the paint work and it appeared to me that this could be where the paint on the silencer came from. The scoring is on the underside of the mantelpiece at the right hand side.

I'm confused! Does all this mean that the silencer was returned to David Boutflour after he had found it and had handed it in to the police, or does it mean that the police had it first and that they gave to David Boutflour, so that he could pretend to have found it?

[mike tesko]

I'm confused! Does all this mean that the silencer was returned to David Boutflour after he had found it and had handed it in to the police, or does it mean that the police had it first and that they gave to David Boutflour, so that he could pretend to have found it?

Good points...

It might/does/did depend upon whether or not the silencer in question was Pargeters own silencer that he was/is talking about, or if it was the Bamber owned silencer he was referring to?

[Lugg]

So you're telling me that Pargeter was so observant that after attending a funeral he noticed a "scratch" in the paint under the surround of the Aga? Yeah right.

[lookout]

So you're telling me that Pargeter was so observant that after attending a funeral he noticed a "scratch" in the paint under the surround of the Aga? Yeah right.

Yes,Lugg,if you're looking for something that you know about,,,you'll find it.! He knew about it,didn't he.?

[maggie]

Yes,Lugg,if you're looking for something that you know about,,,you'll find it.! He knew about it,didn't he.?

Hi Lookout/Lugg I'm sure, he knew about it and more.  Haven't had much time lately but I intend to read up about Anthony Pargeter and his silencer(s) this weekend.  There is something that doesn't make sense.  imo

[Roch]

Good points...

It might/does/did depend upon whether or not the silencer in question was Pargeters own silencer that he was/is talking about, or if it was the Bamber owned silencer he was referring to?

I don't understand this. Surely the silencer found on 10th Aug in the gun cupboard, could not have been returned to relatives between 10/8/85 and 10/9/85, since during this period, it had become the key exhibit in a murder enquiry and was duly shuttled here there and everwhere for tests etc.?

How then, could DB be expressing to AP that a silencer had not only been returned to the relatives but also describing the returned silencer as having the very same attributes as the one found in the gun cupboard on 10/8/85?

Have I picked this up wrong in any way?

[mike tesko]

Good points...

It might/does/did depend upon whether or not the silencer in question was Pargeters own silencer that he was/is talking about, or if it was the Bamber owned silencer he was referring to?

I think that at the beginning there existed a huge degree of confusion involving and surrounding the find/retention and seizure of the first silencer (SBJ/1), by DS Jones on 7th August, where it was not commonly known by the police at that early stage, that two different identical looking parker hale silencers were kept and in everyday use at the scene. In turn although relatives knew two identical silencers existed, what they did not realize on 9th August was that the silencer which was being spoken about on that date at this time, was the Bamber owned silencer, or the Pargeter one...

It was not until the relatives went to the scene themselves and a check was carried out to see which of the two silencers police already had possession of, that relatives knew police had siezed the Pargeter silencer in the mistaken belief that it had been the Bamber owned silencer relatives and police had been speaking about between themselves on the previous (9th August 1985) day - once relatives found the Bamber silencer they took it home until they decided what to do about the mix up with the silencers, and kept it for a couple of days before alerting the police to its find, and the mix up regarding ownership of the first silencer (SBJ/1) found by police earlier...

[Steve_uk]

Jeremy Bamber has not stopped complaining since 28 October 1986 when the white prison van arrived late at Chelmsford Crown Court and then sped off to take him to Wormwood Scrubs..

[lookout]

Jeremy Bamber has not stopped complaining since 28 October 1986 when the white prison van arrived late at Chelmsford Crown Court and then sped off to take him to Wormwood Scrubs..

Steve,hun,get real. I'd complain bitterly too if I was banged up for nothing.

[Roch]

Jeremy Bamber has not stopped complaining since 28 October 1986 when the white prison van arrived late at Chelmsford Crown Court and then sped off to take him to Wormwood Scrubs..

Steve or anyone...  have I picked this up wrong?  (Reply 7)

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=3375.msg132808;topicseen#msg132808

[Steve_uk]

Steve,hun,get real. I'd complain bitterly too if I was banged up for nothing.

I quote verbatim from Claire Powell's book,Murder at White House Farm:

"The murder squad detectives who spent time with Jeremy,and who were unable to break him despite all their efforts,felt he was not an actor. They were sure that they were dealing with a psychopath."Jeremy has got something missing",explained one of them."I don't think it's the kind of thing that a psychiatrist would pick up on. It's certainly not anything that would get him sent to Broadmoor. It's just that he didn't care about anyone or anything. There was a real gap in him where there should have been feelings. It's not normal."

The belief was repeated again and again by people who knew Jeremy."Something was missing in him"wrote Ken Smith. Liz Rimington,who knew Jeremy well and even had a brief affair with him,said:

"Jeremy never believed murder was a crime. He believed morality and social conscience were only for the weak. He said morality was like religion,something for people to hang on to. I told Jeremy he was a psychopath without conscience".

Jeremy replied: "I know I'm sick. I know I have such evil thoughts. I can't help it".

[lookout]

I quote verbatim from Claire Powell's book,Murder at White House Farm:

"The murder squad detectives who spent time with Jeremy,and who were unable to break him despite all their efforts,felt he was not an actor. They were sure that they were dealing with a psychopath."Jeremy has got something missing",explained one of them."I don't think it's the kind of thing that a psychiatrist would pick up on. It's certainly not anything that would get him sent to Broadmoor. It's just that he didn't care about anyone or anything. There was a real gap in him where there should have been feelings. It's not normal."

The belief was repeated again and again by people who knew Jeremy."Something was missing in him"wrote Ken Smith. Liz Rimington,who knew Jeremy well and even had a brief affair with him,said:

"Jeremy never believed murder was a crime. He believed morality and social conscience were only for the weak. He said morality was like religion,something for people to hang on to. I told Jeremy he was a psychopath without conscience".

Jeremy replied: "I know I'm sick. I know I have such evil thoughts. I can't help it".

Hahahahaha,Steve. I too have evil thoughts at times but I'm not sick,nor am I a murderer. It's all part of life,like wanting to blow up the Houses of Parliament,to which I wouldn't be on my own for saying that,but it doesn't mean to say that I would.
More hearsay I would imagine. This is the trouble with books. Things like that have to be written to create extra interest to read them. A lot of elaborating goes on to fill one page.

[Steve_uk]

Hahahahaha,Steve. I too have evil thoughts at times but I'm not sick,nor am I a murderer. It's all part of life,like wanting to blow up the Houses of Parliament,to which I wouldn't be on my own for saying that,but it doesn't mean to say that I would.
More hearsay I would imagine. This is the trouble with books. Things like that have to be written to create extra interest to read them. A lot of elaborating goes on to fill one page.

The problem with that theory is that Julie Mugford and her social circle have maintained the same story for the past 27 years. I see that perjury on the part of Police officers is also alleged,when it would have been far simpler to go along with DCI Taff Jones' theory of four murders and a suicide.

Whether Jeremy's psychological problems stemmed from his adoption and therefore deprivation of his natural parents,or whether it came from the influences of the first two female influences in his life,June and Sheila,we will never know. Sheila's grandfather had been a chaplain to the Archbishop of Canterbury so the study of religion was in the family. Jeremy's natural father Major Leslie Grantham had been in the army so the guns factor was there,as well as the snobbishness which lead him to obtain employment in Royal circles.

It's the old nature versus nurture debate. I have no doubt Jeremy in his mind thought that he was doing everyone a favour in putting the old and mentally ill out of their misery,though most importantly he was looking after number one by obtaining the freedom and independence in his mind only money could bring.