Court Deceived over claim that Sheila would not have been able to shoot herself

[mike tesko]

Court Deceived over claim that Sheila would not have been able to shoot herself, if silencer was attached to end of gun barrel

Here are some images which show various postures adopted by Model Amy Holland, in which Sheila could have used the gun with the silencer to take her own life - these experiments in 2003 were designed to show that Sheila did use the silencer when she shot herself, only that she could have, and that the overall length of the weapon with the silencer fitted to the end of its barrel would not have been too long, contrary to what the prosecution alleged during the trial...

[Kaldin]

I don't think it matters much. The silencer was not found on the gun, so if she did shoot herself she didn't do it with the silencer attached.

[mike tesko]

I don't think it matters much. The silencer was not found on the gun, so if she did shoot herself she didn't do it with the silencer attached.

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Well, at the time of the trial, it did matter a great deal to the prosecutions case - they brainwashed the jury into accepting that with the silencer attached, Sheila would not have been able to shoot herself by use of the weapon so configured, because it was too long...

Now, my point is - it would not have been too long, as indicated by some of these images...

[Kaldin]

I don't think it matters much. The silencer was not found on the gun, so if she did shoot herself she didn't do it with the silencer attached.

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Well, at the time of the trial, it did matter a great deal to the prosecutions case - they brainwashed the jury into accepting that with the silencer attached, Sheila would not have been able to shoot herself by use of the weapon so configured, because it was too long...

Now, my point is - it would not have been too long, as indicated by some of these images...

It mattered at the trial because they said her blood was in the silencer, and therefore she must have been shot with the silencer attached. Since then, there has been doubt about it being her blood.

Even if her blood was not in the silencer, she still couldn't have shot herself with the silencer on and then put it back in the cupboard.

[mike tesko]

I don't think it matters much. The silencer was not found on the gun, so if she did shoot herself she didn't do it with the silencer attached.

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Well, at the time of the trial, it did matter a great deal to the prosecutions case - they brainwashed the jury into accepting that with the silencer attached, Sheila would not have been able to shoot herself by use of the weapon so configured, because it was too long...

Now, my point is - it would not have been too long, as indicated by some of these images...

It mattered at the trial because they said her blood was in the silencer, and therefore she must have been shot with the silencer attached. Since then, there has been doubt about it being her blood.

Even if her blood was not in the silencer, she still couldn't have shot herself with the silencer on and then put it back in the cupboard.

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Yes, we know that, nobody is disputing that, but the prosecution alleged that with the silencer fitted to the guns barrel, the weapon would have been too long to allow Sheila an opportunity to do it, even if she had wanted to, because the overall length of the weapon would have been too long...

But these experiments in 2003, established beyond doubt that with the silencer fitted to the end of the guns barrel it would not have prevented anyone like Sheila from shooting herself because the weapon was too long, as demonstrated by the images taken during the experiments...

Another example of the prosecution gilding the Lilly, and painting a false picture in the minds of the jury...

[Kaldin]

Yes, we know that, nobody is disputing that, but the prosecution alleged that with the silencer fitted to the guns barrel, the weapon would have been too long to allow Sheila an opportunity to do it, even if she had wanted to, because the overall length of the weapon would have been too long...

But these experiments in 2003, established beyond doubt that with the silencer fitted to the end of the guns barrel it would not have prevented anyone like Sheila from shooting herself because the weapon was too long, as demonstrated by the images taken during the experiments...

Another example of the prosecution gilding the Lilly, and painting a false picture in the minds of the jury...

Well then it was up to the defence to dispute what the prosecution said about that. If they didn't do so, that's their own fault.

[Amanda]

I see your point, Mike.

Can you just clear something up for me, is it your belief and that of jeremy's legal team, that Sheila did not go upstairs and kill herself, but that the fatal shot to her came from a firearms officer?

[mike tesko]

I see your point, Mike.

Can you just clear something up for me, is it your belief and that of jeremy's legal team, that Sheila did not go upstairs and kill herself, but that the fatal shot to her came from a firearms officer?

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Difference of opinion, between me and Jeremy. I have always held the view that the police shot Sheila, but this view is not shared by Jeremy, or his legal team. They think Sheila shot herself. I am still not 100% sure that I agree with this explanation, because of the fact that one of the two bullets which the pathologist removed from Sheila's body during autopsy on 7th August 1985 (PV/20), which was a fragmented bullet at that time, was substituted by the police, and which became a whole bullet, by the time the batch of crime scene ammunition was submitted to the lab' on 20th September 1985, for the attention of the ballistics expert...

The tampering with of this bullet, sets alarm bells ringing in my head, which alerts me to the possibility that the police could have shot Sheila...

There are certain other features which also leads me to conclude that the police covered up for something that took place surrounding how Sheila came to end up dead in the bedroom...

The discrepancies involving the crime scene bullets and bullet cases in the bedroom, need to be properly explained and accounted for, in my opinion, which will lead to a better understanding of what might have taken place inside that bedroom just before Sheila Died there...

In my opinion, Sheila did not die inside that bedroom until after the armed police were already inside the building...

The police have lied and falsified their accounts as far as I am concerned, helped as it turns out, by the DPP...

[dsf]

I see your point, Mike.

Can you just clear something up for me, is it your belief and that of jeremy's legal team, that Sheila did not go upstairs and kill herself, but that the fatal shot to her came from a firearms officer?

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Difference of opinion, between me and Jeremy. I have always held the view that the police shot Sheila, but this view is not shared by Jeremy, or his legal team. They think Sheila shot herself. I am still not 100% sure that I agree with this explanation, because of the fact that one of the two bullets which the pathologist removed from Sheila's body during autopsy on 7th August 1985 (PV/20), which was a fragmented bullet at that time, was substituted by the police, and which became a whole bullet, by the time the batch of crime scene ammunition was submitted to the lab' on 20th September 1985, for the attention of the ballistics expert...

The tampering with if this bullet, sets alarm bells ringing in my head, which alerts me to the possibility that the police could have shot Sheila...

There are certain other features which also leads me to conclude that the police covered up for something that took place surrounding how Sheila came to end up dead in the bedroom...

The discrepancies involving the crime scene bullets and bullet cases in the bedroom, need to be properly explained and accounted for, in my opinion, which will lead to a better understanding of what might have taken place inside that bedroom just before Sheila Died there...

In my opinion, Sheila did not die inside that bedroom until after the armed police were already inside the building...

The police have lied and falsified their accounts as far as I am concerned, helped as it turns out, by the DPP...

Surely the police wouldn't have shot Sheila upwards under the chin!

[Amanda]

Thanks for the detailed response, Mike! From the explanation you have given, i can see why you might have doubts. It is all a bit fishy, to say the least.

[mike tesko]

I see your point, Mike.

Can you just clear something up for me, is it your belief and that of jeremy's legal team, that Sheila did not go upstairs and kill herself, but that the fatal shot to her came from a firearms officer?

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Difference of opinion, between me and Jeremy. I have always held the view that the police shot Sheila, but this view is not shared by Jeremy, or his legal team. They think Sheila shot herself. I am still not 100% sure that I agree with this explanation, because of the fact that one of the two bullets which the pathologist removed from Sheila's body during autopsy on 7th August 1985 (PV/20), which was a fragmented bullet at that time, was substituted by the police, and which became a whole bullet, by the time the batch of crime scene ammunition was submitted to the lab' on 20th September 1985, for the attention of the ballistics expert...

The tampering with if this bullet, sets alarm bells ringing in my head, which alerts me to the possibility that the police could have shot Sheila...

There are certain other features which also leads me to conclude that the police covered up for something that took place surrounding how Sheila came to end up dead in the bedroom...

The discrepancies involving the crime scene bullets and bullet cases in the bedroom, need to be properly explained and accounted for, in my opinion, which will lead to a better understanding of what might have taken place inside that bedroom just before Sheila Died there...

In my opinion, Sheila did not die inside that bedroom until after the armed police were already inside the building...

The police have lied and falsified their accounts as far as I am concerned, helped as it turns out, by the DPP...

Surely the police wouldn't have shot Sheila upwards under the chin!

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Depends what you mean by, police wouldn't have shot her under the chin? What if there was a struggle between a police officer and Sheila in the bedroom, and the gun just went off as the police officer made a grab for it? There is a whole range of different possibilities to account for how Sheila could have got shot under the chin, as a direct or indirect result of police intervention? I am not saying that this is what did happen, I am only pointing out it could be an explanation...

I am assured, however, by David Shaw, that Sheila actually shot herself in the bedroom, whilst at least one armed police officer was standing around the corner of the entrance to the main bedroom, and whom upon hearing the fatal shot being discharged, ran into the bedroom calling out for other officers inside the farmhouse to come to his assistance in the bedroom, and that attempts were made from that point on to try to give Sheila the best possible chance of survival...

But, it was too late...

[horseydave]

Mike , you are deluding yourself now !!!! So she placed it under her chin, shot herself, walked down stairs, put the silencer back, washed her hands, then walked up the back stairs, laid down, rested the gun on her torso, grabbed the Bible and died ?

If you are going to run a site like this you need 2 things - Credibility and Traceability

Today 2 of youre posts are lacking both.

In my humble opinion you will learn much by running a "how it happened" list by FACTS proven, and NOT by some of the far fetched bird-brained ideas and dreams im reading on here.

I dont think he'll ever get out, the English courts dont like airing there mistakes in public.  I was at WHF for 14 weeks, I have met JB on numerous occasions, I met Jules several times, I knew david & robert, and i take great creadence in the landing lights story & drugs, but why was the bike back at jeremys ? Why was mud on the wheels ? If you leave the farm house, and instead of turning towards the village, turn the other way, there is a bridlepath/track on the right hand side, if you follow that, it'll take you to the main road, turn left for about 2 miles and youre in Goldhangar- That track was always muddy as i have walked cattle along it several times.
And then whats he doing driving the astra It was'nt even his car, and why is he driving so slow ? Dont tell me he was suffereing from shock etc, because unless he did it, how was he to know what was waiting for him at WHF ? JB drove everywhere like a teenage racer.
The blood splatter bothers me somuch that after reading all you have written about it, i picked up a mixy rabbit yesterday and shot it from 2 inches with my own .324 (slightly bigger than the .22) the barrel had blood on it, inside and out.

I know you all have good intentions, but the more I read, the more I am left thinking JB knew far more about that night than he has ever let on.

[horseydave]

Mike you have lost it completely - So you say the police shot her ?

If you are going to run a site like this, you cannot be seen as a 'joke' -  You need CREDIBILITY and posts such as that has just undermined the whole forum

But according to mike, 3 police officers conspired with jeremy to kepp quiet whilst one of them went into the house and shot his sister !!!!!

[mb1]

Horseydave - the whole drugs thing bothers me too.

Mike - how tall is the model in these photos? It would have been helpful to see her photographed against a height scale, to give the images credibility. And can you confirm the gun and silencer used in the photos?

[horseydave]

MB1 Its irrelevant, Mike now has her shooting herself using her toe, walking downstairs , crossing the kitchen, missing all blood and sugar, putting the silencer in the cabinet (hiding it so the police dont find it after 3 weeks), wiping it clear of fingerprints (or did she wear gloves mike ?)walking back across the kitchen floor avoiding all sugar, walking upstairs (no blood on stair cases ever found), laying down on the floor, placeing a bible beside herself, laying the gun across her torso and then dying !!!!

ITs a joke and if mike wants us to take him serious or anyone else he needs to remove it - or..... maybe the twins did it mike, or his mother, or his dad

Please Mike - Please stick top FACTS and not far fetched ideas like this, but as you have make such a effort on here; As a ex-employee i have tonight written to JB and his solicitor asking them there views of the site