Jeremy Bamber's story - NOTW deal

[Caroline R]

Well Lugg that's another unreliable witness to strike off the list and the Defence are getting through a good many aren't they..Barbara Wilson,Julie Mugford,Ann Eaton,Robert Boutflour,Charles Marsden,James Richards,Doris Foakes,Liz Rimington..

You'd better buy a new biro..but of course,you've got Jeremy's word haven't you? Thank heavens for that..

Except that Barbara Wilson didn't mention anything of the sort until AFTER the trial - in fact I believe it was a statement made prior to the first appeal and it was never mentioned in court!

[Jane]

Yes, Steve is. It reads like an Agatha Cristie mystery.

.........adulterated by Barbara Cartland

[Caroline R]

.........adulterated by Barbara Cartland

Unfortunately it's much worse April - it's RODGER WILKES!!

[Lugg]

.........adulterated by Barbara Cartland

She felt his hot breath on her neck as he ripped the thin silk from....................

[lookout]

Is anyone on this thread directly quoting from a novel ?

Not once have I quoted anything from a novel,,,,simply because I haven't read any of them,and don't intend doing so either. I've never done anything " by the book " and I certainly don't intend to start now.

[campion]

 The gentle breeze muffled the sound of a ladies bicycle racing down Pages Lane, a startled rabbit the only witness to this audacious get away, how lucky, only hours earlier he would have been blasted to death if Bruce the Labrador hadn't intervened. The moon peeped from behind a cloud......

[lookout]

The gentle breeze muffled the sound of a ladies bicycle racing down Pages Lane, a startled rabbit the only witness to this audacious get away, how lucky, only hours earlier he would have been blasted to death if Bruce the Labrador hadn't intervened. The moon peeped from behind a cloud......

And projected a " trick of the light " at the window-------------

[Jane]

She felt his hot breath on her neck as he ripped the thin silk from....................
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............and crushed her trembling body to his many chest!!!!! Ohhhh! Be still, my beating heart

[Roch]

My mistake re Wilson's recollection about NB's remarks having been put before a jury.  Nevertheless, weighing up such remarks as those attributed to Sheila are simply be cast aside by Steve as 'believing she was a white witch'.

However nowadays, as any professional who works with vulnerable or high risk people would tell you, if such a person makes claims about death or killing... and then goes on to carry them out,  there would be hell to pay, possibly via a serious case review.  Which would demand an explanation as to what actions had been taken regarding the original comments having been made.

So Steve's dismissive, white witch throw away comment, in my mind, belies a malevolence on his part in respect of the defence / Jeremy Bamber.

[Caroline R]

My mistake re Wilson's recollection about NB's remarks having been put before a jury.  Nevertheless, weighing up such remarks as those made by Sheila are simply be cast aside by Steve as 'believing she was a white witch'.

However nowadays, as any professional who works with vulnerable or high risk people would tell you, if such a person makes claims about death or killing... and then goes on to carry them out,  there would be hell to pay, possibly via a serious case review.  Which would demand to an explanation as to what actions had been taken regarding the original comments having been made.

So Steve's dismissive, white witch throw away comment, in my mind, belies a malevolence on his part in respect of the defence / Jeremy Bamber.

I don't think there are many 'white witches' who would make such a comment and if it were said by Sheila, it was clearly a result of her illness. Steve plays down anything which might suggest Sheila had the potential to express violence but readily highlights any little anecdote that emphasises JB as a villain.

[Jane]

Roch, in reply to your post 323. The irony here is that if there had been anyone to bring it to the notice of the authorities, there might have been a serious case review. There was a problem, IMO, created by sending Sheila to a private clinic. Had she been under the NHS, she may have been considered ill enough for section. Then there appeared to be a breakdown in communication between the private clinic and her NHS doctor when her meds were seriously reduced. Possibly, as a result of the tragedy, relief was sighed and lessons were learned.

[Roch]

Steve plays down anything which might suggest Sheila had the potential to express violence but readily highlights any little anecdote that emphasises JB as a villain.

Which is carried out to such an extent that members could be forgiven in suspecting some kind of malevolence is at play.  I will add the caveat that many posters seem far to easy on JB, in my opinion.

[Steve_uk]

Steve, do you have a response to post 303?

I never said Sheila was incapable physically of wielding a gun,though I'd be surprised if she could reload. I don't reject Julie's statement;maybe it should be posted again from within the annals of this site. It reads as an account of Julie's like with Jeremy over that past year and even Geoffrey Rivin QC and Edmund Lawson QC gloomily had to admit it "had the ring of truth about it".

[Roch]

I never said Sheila was incapable physically of wielding a gun,though I'd be surprised if she could reload. I don't reject Julie's statement;maybe it should be posted again from within the annals of this site. It reads as an account of Julie's like with Jeremy over that past year and even Geoffrey Rivin QC and Edmund Lawson QC gloomily had to admit it "had the ring of truth about it".

With respect Steve, you are missing my main point, although I was technically incorrect in my assertion that Babs Wilson's remarks attributed to Nevil were heard at trial.   

Do you agree with the following (in accordance with your own approach):

That if a person with the presentation and historic severe mental health issues of Sheila, but in this day and age, made a remark to the effect that all people are bad and should be killed, then was involved in an incident in which they and their family were killed, the respective authorities, in weighing up the evidence, would simply remark... oh well, she though she was a white witch... nothing to be concerned about there then?

[Steve_uk]

Except that Barbara Wilson didn't mention anything of the sort until AFTER the trial - in fact I believe it was a statement made prior to the first appeal and it was never mentioned in court!

The lawyers' advice was that it was hearsay evidence and therefore would be rejected. Barbara,as you allude to,did testify in court however. Jeremy's behaviour she described as "a bit arrogant,a bit nasty..". He wanted a complete clear out of Nevill's den as he didn't want anything left to remind him of his father."He wasn't saying it as if he was upset",Barbara Wilson asserted. Geoffrey Rivlin QC challenged her in cross-examination,suggesting that she had misinterpreted Jeremy's manner. But Mrs. Wilson was in no doubt as to Jeremy's feelings:

"When someone comes upstairs,sits in a chair with his feet on the desk and swivels round and tells me in the manner he told me to clear things out",she retorted,"I am not mistaken".

Barbara had reproached herself for not acting on Nevill's fears,but she was now determined on redress. Of course she had mixed feelings for Jeremy,who had often treated her with politeness,but as Barbara had mulled things over in her mind she became certain that the reference to guns applied to Jeremy. Jeremy's obsession with the financial aspect of the deaths and the valuable antiques in the house led Barbara all the more to link Nevill's changing the place of the key to the safe with Jeremy snooping around looking for the provisions of his father's will.