Jeremy Bamber's story - NOTW deal

[lookout]

It's a pity folks didn't have anything better to do that nit-pick,,such as Anne Eaton did.
There are many reasons for having dilated pupils for Gods' sake.Why should it be directed towards drugs.?

Maybe Anne Eaton should have been told about Sheilas habit.!

[Roch]

Sheila may have regarded herself as a white witch,who is quite harmless. I never said it wasn't theoretically possible that Sheila couldn't have killed them,it's just that I,unlike most people on this site,try to weigh up the evidence and for me the most telling evidence is Julie's statement backed up by the one other time the whole family were together on one roof and Charles Marsden's statement therefrom.

So when Sheila is believed by either CAE or Babs Wilson to have uttered that remark, it is just cast aside as a trifling irrelevance that didn't need to be 'weighed up' (as you put it) by a jury?   

It never occurs to you that Julie's statement could be made to fit? Moulded? Evolved?

[Jane]

So when Sheila is believed by either CAE or Babs Wilson to have uttered that remark, it is just cast aside as a trifling irrelevance that didn't need to be 'weighed up' (as you put it) by a jury?   

It never occurs to you that Julie's statement could be made to fit? Moulded? Evolved?

It seems to me that Steve can apply valid innocent explanations for every word uttered by everybody OTHER than Jeremy, whose words, in his opinion ONLY imply guilt.

[Steve_uk]

And Sorry,Steve,I don't buy your remarks either.

The actual remarks were: "Barbara(Wilson):we'll have to find a new hiding place for the key to the safe".."will you promise me to look after the farm and make sure that everything carries on as normal?Make sure things don't get messed up,that sort of thing?"

Mrs Wilson was stunned."Yes",she said quietly,"of course".
"Promise me"
"Promise"
Seizing the moment,she confronted him. "What's wrong?"she asked."Are you seriously ill?"
Nevill Bamber's voice sank to a whisper."No",he replied."But I don't think I've got long".
"What do you mean. If you're not ill,what's wrong?"
Nevill Bamber drew on his cigarette,swallowed deeply and blew a cloud of smoke above his head. "There's so much to tell Barbara",he murmured."But I can't bother you with all that. It's not your burden But if anything were to happen to me,you will promise me you'll do that?"
"Yes,of course I will"
"Of course" he added,"the shooting season's coming up". Nevill Bamber just sat and looked at her. Then he said,"Living on a farm is a dangerous business and one never knows what's going to happen..." His voice tailed off and he looked away.
"Do you have a premonition?"asked Barbara Wilson.
"Well perhaps. But one never knows. I could go out one day shooting and you never know,do you? These things do happen. You can never tell."(Blood Relations Chapter 3)

Here Nevill is perusing various thoughts in his mind. He is worried about Sheila having come out of hospital,but I always thought that Nevill ostensibly left Sheila to June,as June supported her financially with her dividend from Osea Park,but it was Nevill whom the burden fell upon most as the emotional support Sheila required was draining for Nevill as he spent hours talking to her reassuringly on the other end of the telephone.

However I think Nevill's real anxieties are directed at Jeremy. Had Nevill been sceptical that last year of his son's Damascene conversion to the farming industry? Had Nevill detected that Jeremy's behaviour was a little too perfect,a little too exemplary for comfort? Had Nevill caught that malicious stare out of the corner of his eye in one of Jeremy's unguarded moments? The reference to the shooting season with its implication of guns,the "I must never turn my back on that young man" remark,coupled with the new gun he was planning to buy making Nevill ill at ease,all points to Jeremy,however much the Defence wish it were not so. Nevill was foretelling his own death,he saw his own mortality and how life had passed him by,with money to show for it but his health failing. June had always lived in the past and closed her eyes to the permissive society and its effects. But Nevill knew his own vulnerability,he knew the demands of young adults,and his prescience that neither he nor June could help either child in modern Britain,nor relate to a spurious Jeremy whom he had caught rummaging around the safe and of whom he was fearful, tortured him

[Roch]

The actual remarks were: "Barbara(Wilson):we'll have to find a new hiding place for the key to the safe".."will you promise me to look after the farm and make sure that everything carries on as normal?Make sure things don't get messed up,that sort of thing?"

Mrs Wilson was stunned."Yes",she said quietly,"of course".
"Promise me"
"Promise"
Seizing the moment,she confronted him. "What's wrong?"she asked."Are you seriously ill?"
Nevill Bamber's voice sank to a whisper."No",he replied."But I don't think I've got long".
"What do you mean. If you're not ill,what's wrong?"
Nevill Bamber drew on his cigarette,swallowed deeply and blew a cloud of smoke above his head. "There's so much to tell Barbara",he murmured."But I can't bother you with all that. It's not your burden But if anything were to happen to me,you will promise me you'll do that?"
"Yes,of course I will"
"Of course" he added,"the shooting season's coming up". Nevill Bamber just sat and looked at her. Then he said,"Living on a farm is a dangerous business and one never knows what's going to happen..." His voice tailed off and he looked away.
"Do you have a premonition?"asked Barbara Wilson.
"Well perhaps. But one never knows. I could go out one day shooting and you never know,do you? These things do happen. You can never tell."(Blood Relations Chapter 3)

Here Nevill is perusing various thoughts in his mind. He is worried about Sheila having come out of hospital,but I always thought that Nevill ostensibly left Sheila to June,as June supported her financially with her dividend from Osea Park,but it was Nevill whom the burden fell upon most as the emotional support Sheila required was draining for Nevill as he spent hours talking to her reassuringly on the other end of the telephone.

However I think Nevill's real anxieties are directed at Jeremy. Had Nevill been sceptical that last year of his son's Damascene conversion to the farming industry? Had Nevill detected that Jeremy's behaviour was a little too perfect,a little too exemplary for comfort? Had Nevill caught that malicious stare out of the corner of his eye in one of Jeremy's unguarded moments? The reference to the shooting season with its implication of guns,the "I must never turn my back on that young man" remark,coupled with the new gun he was planning to buy making Nevill fearful,all points to Jeremy,however much the Defence wish it were not so. Nevill was foretelling his own death,he saw his own mortality and how life had passed him by,wth money to show for it but his health failing. June had always lived in the past and closed her eyes to the permissive society and its effects. But Nevill knew his own vulnerability,he knew the demands of young adults,and his prescience that neither he nor June could help neither child in modern Britain,nor relate to a spurious Jeremy whom he had caught rummaging around the safe and  whom he was fearful, tortured him

Perhaps you should give this a whirl:

[Lugg]

The actual remarks were: "Barbara(Wilson):we'll have to find a new hiding place for the key to the safe".."will you promise me to look after the farm and make sure that everything carries on as normal?Make sure things don't get messed up,that sort of thing?"

Mrs Wilson was stunned."Yes",she said quietly,"of course".
"Promise me"
"Promise"
Seizing the moment,she confronted him. "What's wrong?"she asked."Are you seriously ill?"
Nevill Bamber's voice sank to a whisper."No",he replied."But I don't think I've got long".
"What do you mean. If you're not ill,what's wrong?"
Nevill Bamber drew on his cigarette,swallowed deeply and blew a cloud of smoke above his head. "There's so much to tell Barbara",he murmured."But I can't bother you with all that. It's not your burden But if anything were to happen to me,you will promise me you'll do that?"
"Yes,of course I will"
"Of course" he added,"the shooting season's coming up". Nevill Bamber just sat and looked at her. Then he said,"Living on a farm is a dangerous business and one never knows what's going to happen..." His voice tailed off and he looked away.
"Do you have a premonition?"asked Barbara Wilson.
"Well perhaps. But one never knows. I could go out one day shooting and you never know,do you? These things do happen. You can never tell."(Blood Relations Chapter 3)

Here Nevill is perusing various thoughts in his mind. He is worried about Sheila having come out of hospital,but I always thought that Nevill ostensibly left Sheila to June,as June supported her financially with her dividend from Osea Park,but it was Nevill whom the burden fell upon most as the emotional support Sheila required was draining for Nevill as he spent hours talking to her reassuringly on the other end of the telephone.

However I think Nevill's real anxieties are directed at Jeremy. Had Nevill been sceptical that last year of his son's Damascene conversion to the farming industry? Had Nevill detected that Jeremy's behaviour was a little too perfect,a little too exemplary for comfort? Had Nevill caught that malicious stare out of the corner of his eye in one of Jeremy's unguarded moments? The reference to the shooting season with its implication of guns,the "I must never turn my back on that young man" remark,coupled with the new gun he was planning to buy making Nevill ill at ease,all points to Jeremy,however much the Defence wish it were not so. Nevill was foretelling his own death,he saw his own mortality and how life had passed him by,with money to show for it but his health failing. June had always lived in the past and closed her eyes to the permissive society and its effects. But Nevill knew his own vulnerability,he knew the demands of young adults,and his prescience that neither he nor June could help neither child in modern Britain,nor relate to a spurious Jeremy whom he had caught rummaging around the safe and  whom he was fearful, tortured him

Nevill might have been thinking of something entirely different to what you are implying? Not once does he mention JB. Why put words into his mouth. It reads like a novel and that is how people should interpret it as far I am concerned. It is her story and hers alone. No independent witnesses. No corroboration.

[maggie]

It's a pity folks didn't have anything better to do that nit-pick,,such as Anne Eaton did.
There are many reasons for having dilated pupils for Gods' sake.Why should it be directed towards drugs.?

Maybe Anne Eaton should have been told about Sheilas habit.!

Hi lookout, Maybe someone should tell Anne Eaton and Steve that a symptom of low blood sugar or hypoglyceamia is dilated pupils.  Having been up half the night and having had dreadful trauma with neither food or drink till the infamous brakfast of a few rashers of bacon, ut would be expected that Jeremy would be suffering from low blood sugar.

[Caroline R]

The actual remarks were: "Barbara(Wilson):we'll have to find a new hiding place for the key to the safe".."will you promise me to look after the farm and make sure that everything carries on as normal?Make sure things don't get messed up,that sort of thing?"

Mrs Wilson was stunned."Yes",she said quietly,"of course".
"Promise me"
"Promise"
Seizing the moment,she confronted him. "What's wrong?"she asked."Are you seriously ill?"
Nevill Bamber's voice sank to a whisper."No",he replied."But I don't think I've got long".
"What do you mean. If you're not ill,what's wrong?"
Nevill Bamber drew on his cigarette,swallowed deeply and blew a cloud of smoke above his head. "There's so much to tell Barbara",he murmured."But I can't bother you with all that. It's not your burden But if anything were to happen to me,you will promise me you'll do that?"
"Yes,of course I will"
"Of course" he added,"the shooting season's coming up". Nevill Bamber just sat and looked at her. Then he said,"Living on a farm is a dangerous business and one never knows what's going to happen..." His voice tailed off and he looked away.
"Do you have a premonition?"asked Barbara Wilson.
"Well perhaps. But one never knows. I could go out one day shooting and you never know,do you? These things do happen. You can never tell."(Blood Relations Chapter 3)

Here Nevill is perusing various thoughts in his mind. He is worried about Sheila having come out of hospital,but I always thought that Nevill ostensibly left Sheila to June,as June supported her financially with her dividend from Osea Park,but it was Nevill whom the burden fell upon most as the emotional support Sheila required was draining for Nevill as he spent hours talking to her reassuringly on the other end of the telephone.

However I think Nevill's real anxieties are directed at Jeremy. Had Nevill been sceptical that last year of his son's Damascene conversion to the farming industry? Had Nevill detected that Jeremy's behaviour was a little too perfect,a little too exemplary for comfort? Had Nevill caught that malicious stare out of the corner of his eye in one of Jeremy's unguarded moments? The reference to the shooting season with its implication of guns,the "I must never turn my back on that young man" remark,coupled with the new gun he was planning to buy making Nevill ill at ease,all points to Jeremy,however much the Defence wish it were not so. Nevill was foretelling his own death,he saw his own mortality and how life had passed him by,with money to show for it but his health failing. June had always lived in the past and closed her eyes to the permissive society and its effects. But Nevill knew his own vulnerability,he knew the demands of young adults,and his prescience that neither he nor June could help either child in modern Britain,nor relate to a spurious Jeremy whom he had caught rummaging around the safe and of whom he was fearful, tortured him

Don't tell me .... Rodger Wilkes?

[maggie]

Perhaps you should give this a whirl:

Have read this Roch.  Some really interesting stuff in it, I think.

[Steve_uk]

Nevill might have been thinking of something entirely different to what you are implying? Not once does he mention JB. Why put words into his mouth. It reads like a novel and that is how people should interpret it as far I am concerned. It is her story and hers alone. No independent witnesses. No corroboration.

Well Lugg that's another unreliable witness to strike off the list and the Defence are getting through a good many aren't they..Barbara Wilson,Julie Mugford,Ann Eaton,Robert Boutflour,Charles Marsden,James Richards,Doris Foakes,Liz Rimington..

You'd better buy a new biro..but of course,you've got Jeremy's word haven't you? Thank heavens for that..

[Lugg]

Well Lugg that's another unreliable witness to strike off the list and the Defence are getting through a good many aren't they..Barbara Wilson,Julie Mugford,Ann Eaton,Robert Boutflour,Charles Marsden,James Richards,Doris Foakes,Liz Rimington..

You'd better buy a new biro..but of course,you've got Jeremy's word haven't you? Thank heavens for that..

Well Steve. Anyone can see that it is your own interpretation that brings JB into that conversation. Yet he is not mentioned once.

[Roch]

Steve, do you have a response to post 303?

[campion]

 Is anyone on this thread directly quoting from a novel ?

[Caroline R]

Nevill might have been thinking of something entirely different to what you are implying? Not once does he mention JB. Why put words into his mouth. It reads like a novel and that is how people should interpret it as far I am concerned. It is her story and hers alone. No independent witnesses. No corroboration.

Lugg, Barbara Wilson made 14 statements and not once did she mention THAT conversation with Neville, nor was it part of her testimony in court! It was later after all the media hype and JB had become a pariah that she turned! Before this, she had only good things to say about him!

[Lugg]

Is anyone on this thread directly quoting from a novel ?

Yes, Steve is. It reads like an Agatha Cristie mystery. Of course we always have Wilkes' word. He surely hasn't money as a motive for writing his book.