Jeremy Bamber's story - NOTW deal

[susan]

Hi Maggie  I thought I was Jackie Preece now I am John Lamberton wow is that promotion or what will have to think about that.   Joined night school now for basic speling lessons

[Jane]

What dross.
 
Where have I said Barbara Wilson didn't testify for the prosecution?   Can anyone tell me when this excerpt of Babara Wilson's testimony became available?  Has it always been available or was it edited out? 

I find your comment about Bamber having faked vomiting rather pathetic, actually bordering upon wickedness by your self.  Same for the puerile cheap shot scored by your use of the cliched and deliberately manipulated out of context 'hearty breakfast'.

I do not know what your agenda is or why you have one but you disturb me at times.

PPI, you're not alone. At best I find distasteful much of what Steve says. At worst, I find it disturbing. I see no necessity to turn the knife he has already pushed in as far as the hilt, nor to manipulate every statement, mostly gleaned from facticious origins, to his own ends.

[Steve_uk]

PPI, you're not alone. At best I find distasteful much of what Steve says. At worst, I find it disturbing. I see no necessity to turn the knife he has already pushed in as far as the hilt, nor to manipulate every statement, mostly gleaned from facticious origins, to his own ends.

I assume you mean fictitious.. Give me a scenario whereby Sheila fires a .22anschutz rifle 25 times,reloads twice,prevents Nevill from completing his telephone call to Jeremy, engages in a fight with him,shoots herself,goes upstairs to wash ritualistically,goes back into the master bedroom to be with her mother..I'm waiting for a timeline and these things to be explained..

[lookout]

But Barbara Wilson did testify for the Prosecution didn't she? And how Jeremy's behaviour had changed after the death of his parents,with his feet up on the desk in Nevill's den barking orders at her.

This just confirms my belief that Jeremy killed all five members of his family. It's not a shock to him at all as he has prepared himself for this moment over the past year. He fakes vomiting in front of Police,whilst ready for a hearty breakfast only a few hours later..

Steve,c'mon. It was no hearty breakfast that Jeremy had. Short of taking the cheese off the trap,all there was in the 'fridge were a couple of rashers of bacon ( bachelors don't buy food,they eat out or at mum and dads ) It was the police who were with him who suggested he eat something after throwing up what was left of his previous evenings' meal.
Somehow it developed into a " slap-up " breakfast,,,,,,yeah.! Well the cops would say that,wouldn't they,then immediately into the newspapers. They did a Mackenzie.

[curiousessex]

I assume you mean fictitious.. Give me a scenario whereby Sheila fires a .22anschutz rifle 25 times,reloads twice,prevents Nevill from completing his telephone call to Jeremy, engages in a fight with him,shoots herself,goes upstairs to wash ritualistically,goes back into the master bedroom to be with her mother..I'm waiting for a timeline and these things to be explained..

Maybe one should try and establish who the defence believes was still alive at the time of the alleged telephone call from Nevill to Jeremy.

By the content of the alleged telephone call it must be accepted the defence believes at least Nevill and Sheila were still alive.

Was June still alive at the time of the alleged telephone call from Nevill to Jeremy?

Were the twins still alive at the time of the alleged telephone call from Nevill to Jeremy?


or

Was everyone already dead at the time of the alleged telephone call from Nevill to Jeremy?

[Jane]

I assume you mean fictitious.. Give me a scenario whereby Sheila fires a .22anschutz rifle 25 times,reloads twice,prevents Nevill from completing his telephone call to Jeremy, engages in a fight with him,shoots herself,goes upstairs to wash ritualistically,goes back into the master bedroom to be with her mother..I'm waiting for a timeline and these things to be explained..

No Steve. I mean FACTicious. A spurious, manufactured word, I know, but it fits the bill. There are facts within it, but I would HATE to guarantee that the same could be said for the stories fed to the author by young men jealous of Jeremy's "cruel handsomeness" his easy way of attracting women and the money I'll bet he enjoyed flashing around. OR how about the girls for whom it may have been a badge of honour to say she'd had a quickie up against the wall with the now infamous Jeremy Bamber, who knows, she may even get to see her name in print.......if she's not married. You're not the only one who asks questions, Steve.

I'm not going to try and give you a scenario for what happened that night. It looks as if you've done it, anyway. Hand on heart, unlike you, I have NO idea, and as none of us were there, none of us can know. I'm inclined to see Sheila in an almost blind trance, having the strength of Goliath, but not seeing who she's attacking or firing at., but what the sequence might have been, I'm not able to say.......and like all other suggestions, it's only a theory.

[HMEssex]

I assume you mean fictitious.. Give me a scenario whereby Sheila fires a .22anschutz rifle 25 times,reloads twice,prevents Nevill from completing his telephone call to Jeremy, engages in a fight with him,shoots herself,goes upstairs to wash ritualistically,goes back into the master bedroom to be with her mother..I'm waiting for a timeline and these things to be explained..

Like april1 says, no one knows the exact sequence of events and will never know.

Going by phone logs we know Ralph and Sheila were alive, and going by this so were the others?

No one says Sheila washed after she shot herself but after she shot the family, therefore before she shot herself.

[Roch]

I assume you mean fictitious.. Give me a scenario whereby Sheila fires a .22anschutz rifle 25 times,reloads twice,prevents Nevill from completing his telephone call to Jeremy, engages in a fight with him,shoots herself,goes upstairs to wash ritualistically,goes back into the master bedroom to be with her mother..I'm waiting for a timeline and these things to be explained..

Why?  Who on here can possibly provide a timeline without having witnessed events as they unfolded?  You do not know what measures Nevill may have instigated in order to deal with the situation unfolding.  Or at what time, which actual occurrences developed.  Or at which point anybody was taken by surprise.  Or whether events immediately preceding the incident had given the impression that further developments would not even ensue at all.   You swallow the official version of events hook line and sinker and then demand defence explanations based upon this.  It never seems to occur to you that you may have been fed a duff version, sanitised or manipulated, for the purpose of achieving the prosecution's aims.

Jeremy's behaviour had changed after the death of his parents,with his feet up on the desk in Nevill's den barking orders at her.

Jeremy putting his feet up on the desk and barking orders could still have occurred if his family had been wiped out in a car crash, as opposed to having been murdered by him or by his sister.  It is an irrelevance.  it has no bearing on what took place in the small hours or what took place when the TFG smashed the external door open.

You're obsessed with these hackneyed anecdotes.  To me, it looks like what has happened is that when police decided to gun for Bamber, they had so little to go on, they went back over every incident of anything and changed its nuance to implicate Bamber.  So what was a snatched meal after having been up since 3am and having nothing but bile on his stomach, became a hearty breakfast because it suited the prosecution to portray it in such a fashion.

Essex Police could have been tutored by Thomas Cromwell.

[Lugg]

I answered the question in a way you didn't like,so don't take the huff..

Unfortunately Steve it appears that you didn't answer his question at all? In fact you just ignored it as far as I can see?

[Lugg]

Steve,c'mon. It was no hearty breakfast that Jeremy had. Short of taking the cheese off the trap,all there was in the 'fridge were a couple of rashers of bacon ( bachelors don't buy food,they eat out or at mum and dads ) It was the police who were with him who suggested he eat something after throwing up what was left of his previous evenings' meal.
Somehow it developed into a " slap-up " breakfast,,,,,,yeah.! Well the cops would say that,wouldn't they,then immediately into the newspapers. They did a Mackenzie.

The police advised JB to eat something. Then the next thing they do is to interpret what he ate in such a way so as to fool people like Steve into thinking he had a hearty breakfast. But thankfully we are not all that gullible so as to each a hearty meal of such untruths as Steve.

[Roch]

Unfortunately Steve it appears that you didn't answer his question at all? In fact you just ignored it as far as I can see?

The excerpt was from an interview with DI Dickinson, so that would be early 90's?  It did therefore not form part of an 'edited' statement prior to trial.

[Lugg]

Why?  Who on here can possibly provide a timeline without having witnessed events as they unfolded?  You do not know what measures Nevill may have instigated in order to deal with the situation unfolding.  Or at what time, which actual occurrences developed.  Or at which point anybody was taken by surprise.  Or whether events immediately preceding the incident had given the impression that further developments would not even ensue at all.   You swallow the official version of events hook line and sinker and then demand defence explanations based upon this.  It never seems to occur to you that you may have been fed a duff version, sanitised or manipulated, for the purpose of achieving the prosecution's aims.

Jeremy putting his feet up on the desk and barking orders could still have occurred if his family had been wiped out in a car crash, as opposed to having been murdered by him or by his sister.  It is an irrelevance.  it has no bearing on what took place in the small hours or what took place when the TFG smashed the external door open.

You're obsessed with these hackneyed anecdotes.  To me, it looks like what has happened is that when police decided to gun for Bamber, they had so little to go on, they went back over every incident of anything and changed its nuance to implicate Bamber.  So what was a snatched meal after having been up since 3am and having nothing but bile on his stomach, became a hearty breakfast because it suited the prosecution to portray it in such a fashion.

Essex Police could have been tutored by Thomas Cromwell.

But Roch we can all speculate like Steve does.

[Roch]

But Roch we can all speculate like Steve does.

Yes. I'm not saying that defence based posters should not speculate a scenario.  But Steve seems to be building up to silly crescendos, laying down false assertions based upon a highly selective analysis and a one track approach.  As if he was deliberately viewing the case through the keyhole of DS Jones... or similar.

[Caroline R]

Yes. I'm not saying that defence based posters should not speculate a scenario.  But Steve seems to be building up to silly crescendos, laying down false assertions based upon a highly selective analysis and a one track approach.  As if he was deliberately viewing the case through the keyhole of DS Jones... or similar.

Or - more to the point - Rodger Wilkes!!

[lookout]

Ye Gods,a bloody cockroach now. You know how many of those critters are in Australia.? Enormous,they are and get in the house through ventilators and any other space,and before you know it,they're prolific,no matter how you cover up everything. A cicada would be better. They're huge too,but beautiful when hatched.