Jeremy Bamber's story - NOTW deal

[maggie]

Hi Caroline  How are you today.  steve did explain to me why he said Jeremy was doing the family a favour by taking their lives from them.  Not quoting his exact words but you could read back on his posts if you have a free day. June was a religious maniac, Sheila had mental problems the two little boys were becoming a burden to Colin and he could not cope with them and Ralph was a frail old man.They are not his exact words but very close the only one that maybe different was June her problem was religion.  This is why it was a mercy killing he was doing them a favour.

Hi Susie, I cannot see how a fit man in his early 60's could suddenly have become a frail old man.  There was little 'old' about Ralph from what we are told....mature maybe, one minute he's a strong tall man too tall and strong for Sheila to beat and the next he's a frail old man...seems to me he ages by the day in Steve's head...which is sort of logical, I guess but steve seems to have pressed the fast forward button. ...I'll keep away from him.

[susan]

Hello Maggie how are you today.  I think steve goes off into a world of his own when writing his posts this is why his theories change so much.  He is like a "fair weather friend"    Think he has really gone off me and as me on ignore as he will not reply to my posts 

[Steve_uk]

Hi Susie, I cannot see how a fit man in his early 60's could suddenly have become a frail old man.  There was little 'old' about Ralph from what we are told....mature maybe, one minute he's a strong tall man too tall and strong for Sheila to beat and the next he's a frail old man...seems to me he ages by the day in Steve's head...which is sort of logical, I guess but steve seems to have pressed the fast forward button. ...I'll keep away from him.

Well don't ditch the facts when there are so few which can be established in this case in the first place. Nevill was off work from his magistrate's job through stress,though it seems true to character he was still pushing himself in his role as farmer. Maybe the workload did fall more on Jeremy those past few months,and Jeremy,who wasn't fond of farming at the best of times resented this and sensed that Nevill was finally growing old.

As for ignoring people,I don't as a rule,unless there are posts of no merit whatsoever which add nothing to the debate but just target invective at one's person. We have this forum as a means of communication,we have the right to free speech and freedom of expression,but we should use it wisely.

[Lugg]

Well don't ditch the facts when there are so few which can be established in this case in the first place. Nevill was off work from his magistrate's job through stress,though it seems true to character he was still pushing himself in his role as farmer. Maybe the workload did fall more on Jeremy those past few months,and Jeremy,who wasn't fond of farming at the best of times resented this and sensed that Nevill was finally growing old.

As for ignoring people,I don't as a rule,unless there are posts of no merit whatsoever which add nothing to the debate but just target invective at one's person. We have this forum as a means of communication,we have the right to free speech and freedom of expression,but we should use it wisely.

That's strange? Did you ever meet Jeremy to establish this fact? Because it is quite contrary to the person I know, who has met Jeremy and said that knew a lot about tractors and could not stop talking about farming. Even now he says when he gets out he would like to have a small farm. I sometimes wonder where you dig this rubbish up from Steve?

[Caroline R]

That's strange? Did you ever meet Jeremy to establish this fact? Because it is quite contrary to the person I know, who has met Jeremy and said that knew a lot about tractors and could not stop talking about farming. Even now he says when he gets out he would like to have a small farm. I sometimes wonder where you dig this rubbish up from Steve?

It's most likely another gem from the pages of Rodger Wilkes! 

[maggie]

Well don't ditch the facts when there are so few which can be established in this case in the first place. Nevill was off work from his magistrate's job through stress,though it seems true to character he was still pushing himself in his role as farmer. Maybe the workload did fall more on Jeremy those past few months,and Jeremy,who wasn't fond of farming at the best of times resented this and sensed that Nevill was finally growing old.

As for ignoring people,I don't as a rule,unless there are posts of no merit whatsoever which add nothing to the debate but just target invective at one's person. We have this forum as a means of communication,we have the right to free speech and freedom of expression,but we should use it wisely.

Of course we should steve but I do think you use too much poetic licence.  We really don't know much about Ralph's state of health, he may have been stressed because of Sheila's illness and the worry about the twins, it may have been because of the threats against himself and his family and we are pretty sure these were true.  It may have been because he feared Jeremy but frankly there is no proof of that at all.  If he was mentally stressed he was not necessarily physically impeded and he was a relatively fit man, he lived a physically healthy life and his exercise working on the farm would probably  have kept his back strong.  So he was far from what we think of as a frail old man imo

[Steve_uk]

That's strange? Did you ever meet Jeremy to establish this fact? Because it is quite contrary to the person I know, who has met Jeremy and said that knew a lot about tractors and could not stop talking about farming. Even now he says when he gets out he would like to have a small farm. I sometimes wonder where you dig this rubbish up from Steve?

Were these conversations before or after the murders? From the books I have read it's evident to me that Jeremy was a fish out of water as far as farming was concerned,and several times there are references to Jeremy saying he would "pack it all in" after his parents died. The only reason Jeremy went back on the farm that last year was because he had snooped around Nevill's den and read the will which made it plain he would inherit the farm only as long as the trustees were satisfied with his efforts. This ties in with Julie's statement to Police that Jeremy wouldn't walk away from it all because "I have too much to lose".

[susan]

Hi Maggie  I am so hurt as that is my posts steve is referring to and I try so hard but can't get it right. I think my posts are just as relevant to the forum as his most of what I post up comes out of his posts so he is not saying much about himself.  But as I adore him I will forgive him.

[Steve_uk]

Of course we should steve but I do think you use too much poetic licence.  We really don't know much about Ralph's state of health, he may have been stressed because of Sheila's illness and the worry about the twins, it may have been because of the threats against himself and his family and we are pretty sure these were true.  It may have been because he feared Jeremy but frankly there is no proof of that at all.  If he was mentally stressed he was not necessarily physically impeded and he was a relatively fit man, he lived a physically healthy life and his exercise working on the farm would probably  have kept his back strong.  So he was far from what we think of as a frail old man imo

We have the testimony of farm secretary Barbara Wilson about "the shooting season is coming up..accidents do happen" coupled with the "I must never turn my back on that young man" for goodness sake the man was foretelling his own death..

[Jane]

We have the testimony of farm secretary Barbara Wilson about "the shooting season is coming up..accidents do happen" coupled with the "I must never turn my back on that young man" for goodness sake the man was foretelling his own death..

Only if you believe he was psychic.

[Caroline R]

Of course we should steve but I do think you use too much poetic licence.  We really don't know much about Ralph's state of health, he may have been stressed because of Sheila's illness and the worry about the twins, it may have been because of the threats against himself and his family and we are pretty sure these were true.  It may have been because he feared Jeremy but frankly there is no proof of that at all.  If he was mentally stressed he was not necessarily physically impeded and he was a relatively fit man, he lived a physically healthy life and his exercise working on the farm would probably  have kept his back strong.  So he was far from what we think of as a frail old man imo

Hi Maggie, I have to admit to not knowing much about the threats to the family but I presume Jeremy would have known about these threats?

[Jane]

Hi Maggie, I have to admit to not knowing much about the threats to the family but I presume Jeremy would have known about these threats?

Caroline hi. That my depend on the nature of the threat and if Nevill felt it appropriate to share it's nature with Jeremy, who, if we accept Steve's opinion, he didn't trust. However, if it was serious enough for a panic alarm to be installed I can't see how Jeremy didn't know.

[Lugg]

Were these conversations before or after the murders? From the books I have read it's evident to me that Jeremy was a fish out of water as far as farming was concerned,and several times there are references to Jeremy saying he would "pack it all in" after his parents died. The only reason Jeremy went back on the farm that last year was because he had snooped around Nevill's den and read the will which made it plain he would inherit the farm only as long as the trustees were satisfied with his efforts. This ties in with Julie's statement to Police that Jeremy wouldn't walk away from it all because "I have too much to lose".

I'm not sure it is relevent to ask whether this conversation was before or after the murders. Since all your so called character witnesses for the prosecution stated all these things after the murders, but obviously they apparently heard JB say them before the merders. The point I am making is that I know someone personally and not from any book. (Have you made your judgment of him without even meeting him? A bit unfair wouldn't you say Steve?) So I would give my witness who I have spoken to in the flesh before those faceless persons from some over imaginative author intent only on selling his books. I can add to that someone else I know who gives exactly the same testimony of JB's character as the other person I know.

[Steve_uk]

I'm not sure it is relevent to ask whether this conversation was before or after the murders. Since all your so called character witnesses for the prosecution stated all these things after the murders, but obviously they apparently heard JB say them before the merders. The point I am making is that I know someone personally and not from any book. (Have you made your judgment of him without even meeting him? A bit unfair wouldn't you say Steve?) So I would give my witness who I have spoken to in the flesh before those faceless persons from some over imaginative author intent only on selling his books. I can add to that someone else I know who gives exactly the same testimony of JB's character as the other person I know.

Well Harold Shipman was rumoured to be a good doctor,I'm sure Sion Jenkins was a good Deputy Headteacher but I still have my doubts about him. I can understand why you may feel loyalty to a friend of a friend in this new clique-ridden society of ours but I'm afraid it's no proof of anything.

[Jane]

I'm not sure it is relevent to ask whether this conversation was before or after the murders. Since all your so called character witnesses for the prosecution stated all these things after the murders, but obviously they apparently heard JB say them before the merders. The point I am making is that I know someone personally and not from any book. (Have you made your judgment of him without even meeting him? A bit unfair wouldn't you say Steve?) So I would give my witness who I have spoken to in the flesh before those faceless persons from some over imaginative author intent only on selling his books. I can add to that someone else I know who gives exactly the same testimony of JB's character as the other person I know.

Lugg, hi. Steve seems to believe that "poetic license" add colour to his work, which is fine in fiction but in this case, IMO, renders any truth unreliable, unbelievable and totally incredible. It also make me question those authors he's so fond of quoting IE House of Fraser in Colchester. A glaring mistake on someones' part, certainly OR poetic license for which could be substituted, an attempt to deceive. How many other inputs of poetic license has the same author used?