Jeremy Bamber's story - NOTW deal

[OnceSaid]

She deserved the money,it was the way the system worked and the way the system still does work.

She deserved to be slung in prison IMO.  Unfortunately it is the way the system works,  incentives are given for prosecution witness testimony, which can include financial reward, serious charges being dropped against them, and guilty people also getting away with murder. 

If there is enough strong evidence for charges to be made which is likely to gain a conviction there should be no reason for deals to be made.

[Roch]

She deserved to be slung in prison IMO.  Unfortunately it is the way the system works,  incentives are given for prosecution witness testimony, which can include financial reward, serious charges being dropped against them, and guilty people also getting away with murder. 

If there is enough strong evidence for charges to be made which is likely to gain a conviction there should be no reason for deals to be made.

This is a good point.  Flip it on its' head.  If in order to obtain prosecution witness testimony, there has to be an incentive of financial reward and an incentive of having serious charges being dropped, then what does that tell you about the strength of the evidence in general? 

Throw in to the mix, the role of The Sun newspaper.  If you have to call upon The Sun, to aid in paving the way for somebody being damned... what does that tell you?

Financial incentive
Immunity incentive
Tabloid damnation

[lookout]

I don't see that as a possibility
If guilty,JB has no reason to confess. He on whole life so he won't get parole. Whilst there is any shred of doubt in his conviction ( assuming he's guilty ) he should keep quiet and continue his life in incarcerated comparative luxury.
If he were taken off whole life term,that changes things. If all other efforts were exhausted,he'd served his 30 years,there would be good reason to confess,even if your innocent. That way,however small,there is a hope of parole.
If he doesn't recognise his guilt,he'll stay in whatever. ( if he's innocent or guilty and all appeal avenues are exhausted )
IMO he's at the tipping point in his life.
Assuming he will not be successfully at appeal, one wonders if he is able to overturn the whole life term,and negotiate an exit to the satisfaction of all.
I am aware that would be very difficult,especially for the relations, but if you said to him that he'd be free aged 60, permanent Tag, 200 mile exclusion order and press gagged, I bet he'd take it.....

Yes,Jeremy will die in prison if it means him fighting for the justice and freedom  that he deserves. He is continually pleading his innocence and the only thing keeping him sane is the proof of thousands of files/documents he's compiled over the years,3.5 million to be precise.
Would anyone bother doing this if they were guilty.? I don't think so,they just sit back and take their punishment,or try and commit suicide,or even succeed.
Jeremy doesn't need to bargain or negotiate with anyone. Why.?
Just subpoena JM and make her tell the truth for once,give her a polygraph test,I bet she wouldn't be as willing as JB to have one.

[Steve_uk]

She deserved to be slung in prison IMO.  Unfortunately it is the way the system works,  incentives are given for prosecution witness testimony, which can include financial reward, serious charges being dropped against them, and guilty people also getting away with murder. 

If there is enough strong evidence for charges to be made which is likely to gain a conviction there should be no reason for deals to be made.

You misunderstand Julie,who chose a demanding career and has stuck to that demanding career,not to make a fast buck as her charity work in Canada is another testament to. Julie was a pretty young woman and it's easy to see why he was attracted to her. She had fallen in love with Jeremy as 20 year olds are wont to do. However the Jeremy she thought she knew possessed that clandestine lethal streak,which having observed for herself after the murders with Jeremy's behaviour towards Colin to name but one,set her on the appropriate course.

[lookout]

You misunderstand Julie,who chose a demanding career and has stuck to that demanding career,not to make a fast buck as her charity work in Canada is another testament to. Julie was a pretty young woman and it's easy to see why he was attracted to her. She had fallen in love with Jeremy as 20 year olds are wont to do. However the Jeremy she thought she knew possessed that clandestine lethal streak,which having observed for herself after the murders with Jeremy's behaviour towards Colin to name but one,set her on the appropriate course.

If,,as you believe,that Jeremy committed the murders,then why did he suddenly decide to drop JB at a crucial time when he'd need her on his side.? She didn't drop him,as many a woman WOULD have done if they'd realised what he'd done,but she was still willing to sleep with him,etc.etc.
I'd have ran a mile,,the first port of call being the police station if what he was purported to have said had been true.

[tonyb]

Yes,Jeremy will die in prison if it means him fighting for the justice and freedom  that he deserves. He is continually pleading his innocence and the only thing keeping him sane is the proof of thousands of files/documents he's compiled over the years,3.5 million to be precise.
Would anyone bother doing this if they were guilty.? I don't think so,they just sit back and take their punishment,or try and commit suicide,or even succeed.
Jeremy doesn't need to bargain or negotiate with anyone. Why.?
Just subpoena JM and make her tell the truth for once,give her a polygraph test,I bet she wouldn't be as willing as JB to have one.

Well,I suppose it passes the time of day.

[Steve_uk]

If,,as you believe,that Jeremy committed the murders,then why did he suddenly decide to drop JB at a crucial time when he'd need her on his side.? She didn't drop him,as many a woman WOULD have done if they'd realised what he'd done,but she was still willing to sleep with him,etc.etc.
I'd have ran a mile,,the first port of call being the police station if what he was purported to have said had been true.

Because she was in love. It's what makes the world go round and in Julie's case makes her oblivious to Jeremy's faults however heinous to another person. Jeremy had become arrogant,he had been questioned by Taff Jones and let go and in Jeremy's mind that was the end of it. The carpets and bedding had been burned at White House Farm and the four murders and a suicide was still the official verdict. Jeremy had money coming to him,he had installed himself in the Maida Vale flat and he had Anji Greaves at the end of a telephone line. Why should he tie himself down at 24 years of age with Julie,when it would be his word against hers in the witness box? Jeremy paid Julie off with £400 and thought that was the end of the affair;he even helped her to move house so there was no animosity involved,just Jeremy at that stage of his life felt a new sense of freedom he had never experienced before with his parents gone and he was going to make the most of it.

[Roch]

Well,I suppose it passes the time of day.

Very weak in my opinion.  It's derisive to cast off immense efforts, by using such a weak over used one-liner.

[lookout]

Well,I suppose it passes the time of day.

Passes the time of day.? Would you bother putting together 3.5 million documents if you were guilty.?

[tonyb]

Very weak in my opinion.  It's derisive to cast off immense efforts, by using such a weak over used one-liner.

I'm feeling very weak at the moment though.
I'm not deriding the immense efforts by using a weak one-liner.
I'm trying to forward the alternate way to spring JB.
Anyhow, faced with a life behind bars, he's made his bed.
He gone for the overturning the conviction route.
Maybe the contrition route ultimately may of got him out earlier.
Guilty or innocent, he's still behind bars. Surely you cannot dismiss any options?

[Buddy]

Sometimes your posts are really weak Steve. I think you need to remove your head from where the sun doesn't shine.

[susan]

Hi Lookout  I have discussed this issue many times about Julie carrying on having an intimate relationship with Jeremy after she had identified the two little boys in the morgue and carrying on as normal knowing as she has said that Jeremy told her in advance he was going to murder his family.  I have posted to steve on this point several times and the only answer he has come up with "Love is Blind"and she was frightened of Jeremy was another reason she did not go to the police.

[Steve_uk]

Sometimes your posts are really weak Steve. I think you need to remove your head from where the sun doesn't shine.

Well your post I've quoted here is the weakest of any I've ever read on the Jeremy Bamber Forum. It adds nothing to the debate whatsoever,it counters with nothing,and is just one way of delivering personal invective.

[Steve_uk]

Hi Lookout  I have discussed this issue many times about Julie carrying on having an intimate relationship with Jeremy after she had identified the two little boys in the morgue and carrying on as normal knowing as she has said that Jeremy told her in advance he was going to murder his family.  I have posted to steve on this point several times and the only answer he has come up with "Love is Blind"and she was frightened of Jeremy was another reason she did not go to the police.

She did argue this point with Jeremy many times at Blazers' restaurant in Blackheath and at other places but got no response. Jeremy felt nothing;unless you understand this you will never comprehend how one person could kill five people in cold blood. They were no more than mercy killing to him-don't you get it-in his own mind he was doing everyone a favour-and I might add the biggest favour he was doing to himself.

[Buddy]

Well your post I've quoted here is the weakest of any I've ever read on the Jeremy Bamber Forum. It adds nothing to the debate whatsoever,it counters with nothing,and is just one way of delivering personal invective.

Ok john.