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Offline Bridget

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Re: The RIDDLE of the BACK STAIRCASE.
« Reply #90 on: September 09, 2012, 08:38:PM »
Rigor mortis begins as soon as the heart stops.Because Sheila was slightly built,I would estimate that her limbs would have stiffened within 2 hours,,,and especially due to her activity and the assimilation of lactic acid that she used in being active.Livor would be about 8 hours where it would have shown a marked difference in her colour.

No it doesn't. It starts after about 3 hours in our sort of climate on average.
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« Reply #91 on: September 09, 2012, 08:48:PM »
No it doesn't. It starts after about 3 hours in our sort of climate on average.

It does occur after two hours Bridget. It also depends on age, temperature and assertion prior to death.

Use forensics....not Wiki! lol

http://www.exploreforensics.co.uk/rigor-mortis-and-lividity.html

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Re: The RIDDLE of the BACK STAIRCASE.
« Reply #92 on: September 09, 2012, 08:52:PM »

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« Reply #93 on: September 09, 2012, 08:54:PM »
It does occur after two hours Bridget. It also depends on age, temperature and assertion prior to death.

Use forensics....not Wiki! lol

http://www.exploreforensics.co.uk/rigor-mortis-and-lividity.html

It can occur after 2 hours yes, that's exactly what I've said. The average in our climate is 3 hours but it varies. What it doesn't do is start as soon as the heart stops, which is what Lookout said.
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Re: The RIDDLE of the BACK STAIRCASE.
« Reply #94 on: September 09, 2012, 09:48:PM »
How could Jeremy remove the silencer after he shot and killed Sheila, and take the silencer all the way downstairs by either route, and hide it in a box at the back of the gun cupboard in the downstairs office?
He could have gone into the bathroom on the upper floor, then unfastened the door from there into the rear storeroom, and proceeded via that storeroom into the upstairs office. From there, he could descend the back stairs and go into the rear laundry room where the gun cupboard was. He could then return upstairs by the same route (in reverse), locking the storeroom door and securing the door from the bathroom behind him. Finally, he could go downstairs via the main staircase (or via the kitchen stairs) and exit the building via a ground floor window that could be caused to latch from the outside. Note that this route also explains how the rear storeroom was locked from the inside. I doubt that this happened, but it is a possible route.

What seems highly implausible is for the murderer to have escaped via the skylight, as he would have had to leave the house (as described above) and re-enter the building to do so, having left two doors unlocked to make this re-entry possible. Such re-entry would have served no purpose.

I think Campion was mistaken in asserting that the back door key was missing. Instead, the back door was found locked with the key in the lock.

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« Reply #95 on: October 14, 2012, 01:32:PM »
  Thankyou for your observations The Jam.
  From your explanation it does appear to be a somewhat tortuos route.
  I find it strange that this arrangement was not drawn up for, or alluded to at the Trial.
   Will you kindly draw up a plan of this part of WHF to make things clear for us plebs?

I think it's pretty obvious that just because something hasn't or hadn't been shown on the forum, it isn't an indication that it didn't exist. The majority of documents posted on this forum have been posted to support an allegation, not to assist members in seeking the truth.

The strange non-existent floor plans:






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Re: The RIDDLE of the BACK STAIRCASE.
« Reply #96 on: October 14, 2012, 01:41:PM »
At all times information and evidence has been posted on this forum to try to assist the enquirer in getting to the truth - any poster who suggests otherwise should be treated with suspicion, since they are obviously intent on spreading misinformation about features of the case...

Be wary of such people, and thier motives...
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« Reply #97 on: October 14, 2012, 01:44:PM »
At all times information and evidence has been posted on this forum to try to assist the enquirer in getting to the truth - any poster who suggests otherwise should be treated with suspicion, since they are obviously intent on spreading misinformation about features of the case...

Be wary of such people, and thier motives...
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« Reply #98 on: October 14, 2012, 01:51:PM »
At all times information and evidence has been posted on this forum to try to assist the enquirer in getting to the truth - any poster who suggests otherwise should be treated with suspicion, since they are obviously intent on spreading misinformation about features of the case...

Be wary of such people, and thier motives...

Treat me with as much suspicion as you like, it doesn't alter the facts.
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Re: The RIDDLE of the BACK STAIRCASE.
« Reply #99 on: October 14, 2012, 01:55:PM »
At all times information and evidence has been posted on this forum to try to assist the enquirer in getting to the truth - any poster who suggests otherwise should be treated with suspicion, since they are obviously intent on spreading misinformation about features of the case...

Be wary of such people, and thier motives...

Don't worry Mike,I'm well aware.

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Re: The RIDDLE of the BACK STAIRCASE.
« Reply #100 on: October 14, 2012, 01:58:PM »
Treat those who do not report the true facts with suspicion, since although the truth has finally started to come out regarding how all these different parker hale silencers became merged into the same one, all of which were under the control and in the possession of relatives, police, and at the lab', some people are still trying to maintain there was only ever just the one silencer, a view which is perverse in my opinion and shows a person who supports corrupt activity no matter what - treat these persons with suspicion because they are not interested in finding out the truth...
« Last Edit: October 14, 2012, 02:02:PM by mike tesko »
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Re: The RIDDLE of the BACK STAIRCASE.
« Reply #101 on: October 14, 2012, 02:06:PM »
At all times information and evidence has been posted on this forum to try to assist the enquirer in getting to the truth - any poster who suggests otherwise should be treated with suspicion, since they are obviously intent on spreading misinformation about features of the case...

Be wary of such people, and thier motives...
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Re: The RIDDLE of the BACK STAIRCASE.
« Reply #102 on: October 14, 2012, 02:07:PM »
Until anyone's been on the receiving end of the system,then I don't see how they can say that corruption doesn't exist.

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Re: The RIDDLE of the BACK STAIRCASE.
« Reply #103 on: October 14, 2012, 02:11:PM »
Treat those who do not report the true facts with suspicion, since although the truth has finally started to come out regarding how all these different parker hale silencers became merged into the same one, all of which were under the control and in the possession of relatives, police, and at the lab', some people are still trying to maintain there was only ever just the one silencer, a view which is perverse in my opinion and shows a person who supports corrupt activity no matter what - treat these persons with suspicion because they are not interested in finding out the truth...

The COLP investigation was a waste of time, since the police who carried out that investigation behaved criminally in my opinion, because they found out about how the different silencers became merged into the same one, and they took no action to show that this is what their investigation established - COLP were/are involved in the cover up...

This is why police should not investigate other police...

They are a close knit community, who look after their own interests, and they are not interested in exposing what their colleagues get up to...

Criminals the lots of them...
« Last Edit: October 14, 2012, 02:13:PM by mike tesko »
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« Reply #104 on: October 14, 2012, 02:20:PM »
The COLP investigation was a waste of time, since the police who carried out that investigation behaved criminally in my opinion, because they found out about how the different silencers became merged into the same one, and they took no action to show that this is what their investigation established - COLP were/are involved in the cover up...

This is why police should not investigate other police...

They are a close knit community, who look after their own interests, and they are not interested in exposing what their colleagues get up to...

Criminals the lots of them...
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