The RIDDLE of the BACK STAIRCASE.

[lookout]

Hi April, there are certainly question marks over Jimmy Bell. I read the Rough Justice book and that really convinced me there were possibilities. To me he seems to have had the elements required to be some sort of psychopath/sociopath who would be capable of such a dreadful crime.  He was an intelligent man who may have planned his revenge well. Wasn't he the reason for the installation of the panic alarm?

Maggie,I've thought about him as well,especially the doctors' wife murder which was never solved and was about a couple of years before WHF. I'm going to try and rummage around to see if that character was ever treated by the doctor/husband of Diane Jones. It doesn't take much to stir the mind of a lunatic.

[Jane]

Hi April, there are certainly question marks over Jimmy Bell. I read the Rough Justice book and that really convinced me there were possibilities. To me he seems to have had the elements required to be some sort of psychopath/sociopath who would be capable of such a dreadful crime.  He was an intelligent man who may have planned his revenge well. Wasn't he the reason for the installation of the panic alarm?

That was one of the reasons given for it Maggie. Another reason was the father of a boy who had been sentenced by Nevill was making threatening noises.

[Jane]

Maggie,I've thought about him as well,especially the doctors' wife murder which was never solved and was about a couple of years before WHF. I'm going to try and rummage around to see if that character was ever treated by the doctor/husband of Diane Jones. It doesn't take much to stir the mind of a lunatic.

Lookout, I can say, quite confidently, that Jimmy wasn't a patient of Robert Jones.

[maggie]

Maggie,I've thought about him as well,especially the doctors' wife murder which was never solved and was about a couple of years before WHF. I'm going to try and rummage around to see if that character was ever treated by the doctor/husband of Diane Jones. It doesn't take much to stir the mind of a lunatic.

That would be interesting to research lookout, he certainly seemed capable of anything but how would he have climbed off the roof?....that is a big question......doesnt mean he didnt tho.

[mike tesko]

It took at least a couple of burley firearms officers to push against the internal door behind which the body of Ralph Bamber was sat perched on a large wooden chair, which eventually sent his body crashing to the kitchen floor - so how did Jeremy manage to get beyond the body of Ralph Bamber so that he could hide the all important silencer in the gun cupboard?

And do so by going through and beyond (and back) the very door that Ralps body was blocking off?

More or less impossible, in my opinion...

PS Woodcocks tampered with witness statement (some of its present contents have been retyped by use of a completely different typewriter, whilst other page contents have been removed altogether, relate to how the raid team got into the kitchen and found Ralph and Sheila's bodies' and what transpired when the raid team went upstairs and found the other three victims by 8:10am. Obviously, police will not want to be disclosing the full unedited version of PS Woodcocks 15 page statement, because to do so would be sufficient to prove that Jeremy could not have shot his sister under the chin or stage managed her body in the bedroom, because police originally found Sheila downstairs in the kitchen...

[tyler]

Hi April, there are certainly question marks over Jimmy Bell. I read the Rough Justice book and that really convinced me there were possibilities. To me he seems to have had the elements required to be some sort of psychopath/sociopath who would be capable of such a dreadful crime.  He was an intelligent man who may have planned his revenge well. Wasn't he the reason for the installation of the panic alarm?

Maggie,I dont think the panic alarm was installed because of threats from Jimmy Bell.There is documentation on the forum somewhere that Neville was being threatened by someone by the name of Eden?

[maggie]

PS Woodcocks tampered with witness statement (some of its present contents have been retyped by use of a completely different typewriter, whilst other page contents have been removed altogether, relate to how the raid team got into the kitchen and found Ralph and Sheila's bodies' and what transpired when the raid team went upstairs and found the other three victims by 8:10am. Obviously, police will not want to be disclosing the full unedited version of PS Woodcocks 15 page statement, because to do so would be sufficient to prove that Jeremy could not have shot his sister under the chin or stage managed her body in the bedroom, because police originally found Sheila downstairs in the kitchen...

Mike, do you believe the'body of a woman' ie probably Sheila first viewd thrugh the so called kitchen window was actully in the kitchen with Ralph or in the back kitchen,/laundry room/scullery, as has been suggested before?

[lookout]

Maggie,I dont think the panic alarm was installed because of threats from Jimmy Bell.There is documentation on the forum somewhere that Neville was being threatened by someone by the name of Eden?

I'd read that too,tyler. Eden sounds to me like a " code " of some sort.Either to do with Neville himself,or Sheila and her drug debt. But to get a panic alarm fitted,something had to be going on.
This is the problem when people keep things to themselves.It invariably leaves you asking questions because they were so private.

[tyler]

and some people.......are nutters. 

How dare you call Campion a "nutter",who the hell do you think you are?
Campion senior (if that was indeed him posting),is one very intelligent man with a brilliant mind.
I do hope that you see fit to apologise!

Campion.........Im sorry but I cannot help you.I do not fully understand the layout of the house,but fortunately it is clear that Mike does,and he appears to be on the same wavelength as you,judging by his posts.
All I can add is that I do not believe at all that events happened that morning as have been recorded.The mess in the kitchen ie: overturned chairs etc,was supposed to have occurred by way of the killer fighting with Neville.But Ron Cook (I think it was him) says in his COLP interview that the raid team made the mess and that he doesnt necessarily believe that there was any fight with Neville.Possibly that Neville was hit/beaten after he was severely wounded and therefore unable to put up any kind of fight at all.So the question therefore is........in what circumstances did the raid team trash the kitchen,if as we are led to believe,that everyone in the house were already dead?

[lookout]

Lookout, I can say, quite confidently, that Jimmy wasn't a patient of Robert Jones.

Okay,April.Thanks.Saves me delving.

[lookout]

Okay,April.Thanks.Saves me delving.

It would have been interesting to have had a list of his patients around that time.

[maggie]

Maggie,I dont think the panic alarm was installed because of threats from Jimmy Bell.There is documentation on the forum somewhere that Neville was being threatened by someone by the name of Eden?

Thanks Tyler, I do agee with you by the way about rudeness to Campion, he deserves more respect.
Tyler, do you think that Jimmy Bell is a total red herrring, you are very knowledgeable on the case and live in the area, I believe.  I find him an interresting outside bet.

[mike tesko]

Mike, do you believe Sheila's body was found in the kitchen with Ralph or in the back kitchen, laundry room/scullery, as has been suggested before?

This has always been a bone of contention between what was seen by PC Collins through the kitchen window, and Jeremy's interpretation of the window in which that sighting was made? Jeremy thinks the sighting was made through the other kitchen window, the one to the left of the back door, which if true takes the more recent explantion of some sort of a mix up occurring involving the body of Ralph Bamber being mistaken for the body of a dead female? But if that/this were true, it makes nonsense of the contents of the police logs which specifically say that the body of one male, and the body of one dead female, were found upon entry to the kitchen. My interpretation on that is that Ralphs body must have been found before police went onto find Sheila's body in the kitchen - if Sheila had been found in the other kitchen situated on the other side of the door, police would have reported the find of Sheila's body before making reference to Ralphs body,  but since it was reported the other way round, it puts the dampners on what Jeremy says, and it puts the dampners on the police explantion about some sort of a mix up having occurred, since, in order for such a mix up to fit in with such an explantion, police would have to report finding the body of a dead female, before any refetence to the body of a dead male...

For all these reasons, I believe that the police must have first seen Sheila's body through the kitchen window situated to the right of the external back door, but not in the same room as Ralph, but through a connecting door into the pantry part of the main kitchen. If true, then of course, PC Collins could not have mistaken Ralphs body sat on that chair behind the internal door, for the body of a dead female, because the bodies of female and male were situated in completely different rooms to one another (downstairs)...

[maggie]

Thanks Mike, it is a bit confusing to say the least, so Sheila when first seen would have been in the kitchen with Ralph, blocked in by his body being on the chair in front of the door at the back of the kitchen which police had to push out of the way to enter. 
She therefore wasn't probably locked in the back part of the house with the spiral staircase and the gun cupboard as has been suggested....is that right?

[lookout]

And the strange thing is,that when you look through any window,you tend to look the furthest first rather than the nearest, which is why the police stated that it was the body of a female,which would be right,and as their eyes focussed nearer,they saw Neville.