Mike deciding to shut down the forum

[Neil]

Thanks, Neil. But trust me  in fact, this post of Grahames

Shows what I was dealing with. Also Grahame actually said he asked to become mod because Roch wasn't dealing with the complaints he'd reported in a way he saw fit - and I'm sure Roch will confirm this - the person that Grahame was reporting, was me.

As I said earlier, you posting on the other forum would have really bothered Grahame, irrespective of what you were actually saying.  The fact that you're now not, may just prove to be the catalyst for a more harmonious relationship!!  Well...we live in hope!

[maggie]

Thanks, Neil. But trust me  in fact, this post of Grahames

Shows what I was dealing with. Also Grahame actually said he asked to become mod because Roch wasn't dealing with the complaints he'd reported in a way he saw fit - and I'm sure Roch will confirm this - the person that Grahame was reporting, was me.

Mat you really take the cake. You make out you are some poor defenceless person who wouldnt say boo to a goose but if Neil has missed it I havent, you are quite capable of being aggressive and bullying so why dont you take any responsibility for your own behaviour?

[guest154]

Mat you really take the cake. You make out you are some poor defenceless person who wouldnt say boo to a goose but if Neil has missed it I havent, you are quite capable of being aggressive and bullying so why dont you take any responsibility for your own behaviour?

I didn't say that I didn't say 'boo to a goose'. But it's just my opinion, Maggie. Was Grahame a bully to me, IMO? Yes. He was nasty, snake like in the way he acted, and the way he was modded. He was foul mouthed towards me. I have the right to an opinion and the right not to like someone.

He caused trouble for me and looked for lame excuses to back it up. He was forever claiming the mods were about to ban me. In fact, Maggie you're as guilty for saying that as much as he did because you've also claimed that the mods have told you they are about to ban me - comments like that were said to cause nothing but trouble.

[maggie]

I didn't say that I didn't say 'boo to a goose'. But it's just my opinion, Maggie. Was Grahame a bully to me, IMO? Yes. He was nasty, snake like in the way he acted, and the way he was modded. He was foul mouthed towards me. I have the right to an opinion and the right not to like someone.

He caused trouble for me and looked for lame excuses to back it up. He was forever claiming the mods were about to ban me. In fact, Maggie you're as guilty for saying that as much as he did because you've also claimed that the mods have told you they are about to ban me - comments like that were said to cause nothing but trouble.

I am not a liar mat. I just said that once just lately about the ban but I keep my pms. I assure you I am neither a liar or a trouble maker.

[Neil]

I am not a liar mat. I just said that once just lately about the ban but I keep my pms. I assure you I am neither a liar or a trouble maker.

I feel uneasy with Maggie getting dragged into this.  However, her post did remind me of Mat's threat to post PM's on the red forum. 
All I'm trying to illustrate is how these things can spiral out of control.

[maggie]

I feel uneasy with Maggie getting dragged into this.  However, her post did remind me of Mat's threat to post PM's on the red forum. 
All I'm trying to illustrate is how these things can spiral out of control.

Hi neil. I wasnt threatening to post them I was just saying I had them and I know that I am not a liar. I wouldnt post a pm from anyone on the forum. Thanks for your concern.

[vidvic]

Can I just mention, as someone from across the divide, that I have spoken to Grahame numerous times on the phone and have always found him polite and intelligent and actually quite capable of seeing both sides of the story. His treatment on the red forum was appalling, with things said about his family that were well beyond 'banter'.
The person above, simply doesn't fit the person who attacked Roch and NGB and my personal feeling is that someone has goaded him into taking the foolish steps he took and I can imagine him feeling a complete prat now for listening to them.
I cannot condone anything he's done over the past few days or even his tone with dealing with Mat, but I do believe him to be a good man, who's acted the fool.

I have to say that if mike had refused his plea to be a mod then none of us would ever have known what had happened and he should apologise for his part also.

[Neil]

Hi neil. I wasnt threatening to post them I was just saying I had them and I know that I am not a liar. I wouldnt post a pm from anyone on the forum. Thanks for your concern.

Hi Maggie, I wasn't suggesting for one second that you would post a PM.  Just the mention of the PM, reminded me of Mat's episode on the red forum.

[guest154]

Hi Maggie, I wasn't suggesting for one second that you would post a PM.  Just the mention of the PM, reminded me of Mat's episode on the red forum.

Makes me sound awful, Neil! 
In my defence, Keira was threatening to ban me, I asked her why and she stopped replying to PM's from me. She did indeed ban me twice for no reason and NGB corrected this in the morning.
What I said on the red forum is that if Keira bans me just because we have fallen out and doesn't stop telling lies I would post the PM's that proved she was lieing in what she was saying on here.

[petey]

Mat you really take the cake. You make out you are some poor defenceless person who wouldnt say boo to a goose but if Neil has missed it I havent, you are quite capable of being aggressive and bullying so why dont you take any responsibility for your own behaviour?

Out of interest do you think that Graham's attitude towards my posts, his general criticism, which bordered on abuse of me was justified?

Personally I still think Graham still has a long way to go before he should be fully welcomed back.

If he is welcomed back at present it would be as if we are condoning his disgraceful posts which as i said before, went beyond the pale.

[Neil]

Makes me sound awful, Neil! 
In my defence, Keira was threatening to ban me, I asked her why and she stopped replying to PM's from me. She did indeed ban me twice for no reason and NGB corrected this in the morning.
What I said on the red forum is that if Keira bans me just because we have fallen out and doesn't stop telling lies I would post the PM's that proved she was lieing in what she was saying on here.

You say that it made you look awful.  Well it might do when taken out of context.  There were reasons why you threatened to do it, like there are reasons why Grahame says what he says sometimes.

Things can very easily and very quickly spiral out of control.

[mertol22]

Going on about this till christmas eve will not solve anything , if grahame wishes to return nothing will be gained by resuming what was said,i was under the view this was a forum to discuss the case it may be once again.

[maggie]

Out of interest do you think that Graham's attitude towards my posts, his general criticism, which bordered on abuse of me was justified?

Personally I still think Graham still has a long way to go before he should be fully welcomed back.

If he is welcomed back at present it would be as if we are condoning his disgraceful posts which as i said before, went beyond the pale.

Petey I have agreed that Grahame no doubt has some apologising to do but hes not a child. He can make his own decisions. I have not said grahame hasnt made mistakes but we do all make mistakes.  my only comment to mat was that he should maybe take responsibility for his side of things. But mat prefers to blame anyone but himself.

[Neil]

Going on about this till christmas eve will not solve anything , if grahame wishes to return nothing will be gained by resuming what was said,i was under the view this was a forum to discuss the case it may be once again.

You can't expect the aggrieved parties to just forget everything, can you?

In a perfect world, may be.

[petey]

Petey I have agreed that Grahame no doubt has some apologising to do but hes not a child. He can make his own decisions. I have not said grahame hasnt made mistakes but we do all make mistakes.  my only comment to mat was that he should maybe take responsibility for his side of things. But mat prefers to blame anyone but himself.

ok no worries