Order that PC Bird took photographs at the scene (7th August 1985)?

[mike tesko]

OK, we'll approach this from another angle, would it be fair to assume that the rifle which was spotted at the window by WPC Julia jeapes at about 7:15am, was kept under constant observation until the operation inside the farmhouse had been successfully dealt with? Would it also be safe to assume that if it had disappeared from the window, that this would have become a major concern for the police at the scene, in particular, for the safety of the six man raid team who had since gone into the premises?

[mike tesko]

OK, we'll approach this from another angle, would it be fair to assume that the rifle which was spotted at the window by WPC Julia jeapes at about 7:15am, was kept under constant observation until the operation inside the farmhouse had been successfully dealt with? Would it also be safe to assume that if it had disappeared from the window, that this would have become a major concern for the police at the scene, in particular, for the safety of the six man raid team who had since gone into the premises?

If the rifle had gone missing from the window, in the interim period between when WPC Jeapes saw it there (7:15am) and the point where members of the raid team got into the bedroom to find Sheila on the floor with the same rifle a top her body, that it can only mean that Sheila took possession of the said rifle from the bedroom window at some point after 7:15am, and that she shot herself with use of it to enable the police to find her there on the floor as they say that had done, and did?

[mike tesko]

If the rifle had gone missing from the window, in the interim period between when WPC Jeapes saw it there (7:15am) and the point where members of the raid team got into the bedroom to find Sheila on the floor with the same rifle a top her body, that it can only mean that Sheila took possession of the said rifle from the bedroom window at some point after 7:15am, and that she shot herself with use of it to enable the police to find her there on the floor, as they say that had done, and did?

If that be the case, then all that / this nonsense about the use of a silencer on the gun that fired the fatal shot (by way of bullet PV/19) under her chin that killed her, is total and utter garbage, and was only introduced by way of a conspiracy involving relatives and the police, to make sure that Bamber got convicted, when there existed evidence which was capable of undermining the use of any silencer at the time she was shot and killed? How could the police not realize the significance of the sighting of the rifle at the bedroom window by WPC Julia Jeapes, who was a trained firearms instructor with Essex police? How could the police not have the intelligence to be able to work out that if by the time the raid team got into the bedroom the rifle was atop Sheila's body, that it could only have got there from the window after 7:15am, if Sheila herself had taken possession of it and shot herself (if the police did not shoot her themselves)?

[mike tesko]

If there was or had been a silencer fitted to the end of the rifles barrel at the time Sheila was shot by bullet PV/19, with the rifle from the bedroom window, what happened to the silencer after police discovered Sheila's body there on the bedroom floor? How could the silencer (if used at that time) manage to get all the way downstairs into the gun cupboard, and how could the police miss it, and in so doing, it remained there in the gun cupboard undiscovered, until the relatives came along on 10th August, to discover it?

Sorry...

None of this makes sense to me, police would have known if the rifle at the bedroom window (7:15am) had a silencer fitted to its barrel, when it was used to shoot Sheila under the chin, no matter who shot and killed her, after that (7:15am) time? The silencer couldn't have got into the gun cupboard downstairs all by itself, and Jeremy couldn't have put it there (after the sighting of the rifle at the window by WPC Jeapes at 7:15am), because he was with the police outside and had been so from as early as 3:52am that same morning...

[mike tesko]

Now, this brings us nicely onto the matter or any possible explanation for how Sheila's blood got into the silencer if the silencer was not used on the rifle from the window (after 7:15am) to fire the fatal bullet (PV/19) under her chin, that ultimately killed her? The only possible explanation could be that it got there by a process of contamination, since it could not have got there by the process of backspatter (if the silencer was not fitted to the barrel of the rifle at the bedroom window from 7:15am, onwards?

[mike tesko]

There is something very sinister about the reason why WPC Julia Jeapes made a witness statement about the sighting of the rifle at the bedroom window, in the first place, and why it was not disclosed to Bamber or to his legal team before the commencement of trial in October 1986?

[lookout]

There is something very sinister about the reason why WPC Julia Jeapes made a witness statement about the sighting of the rifle at the bedroom window, in the first place, and why it was not disclosed to Bamber or to his legal team before the commencement of trial in October 1986?

I'll say it's sinister,Mike,,,because everyone made so much about the silencer being " pivotal " to the case,,,so as to direct and divert people away from what really happened. The jury were so " blinded with science " over the blessed silencer that I doubt many of them even understood anything about them.
Was that silencer planted.? Of course it was. Because it certainly wasn't in the cupboard on the many times that the police had looked,,then suddenly it appears. It stinks.

[lookout]

I would have said that Sheila died at around 7.20/30 because of the viscosity of her blood,  2 and a half/3 hours later while Jeremy was outside.

[mike tesko]

I would have said that Sheila died at around 7.20/30 because of the viscosity of her blood,  2 and a half/3 hours later while Jeremy was outside.

I think it was a "cop out" not giving a time of death, in the cases of all five victims -  especially Sheila's, who obviously did not die soon enough for Jeremy, or any would be killer to have killed her before the police arrived on the scene at 03;48am....

[Bridget]

I would have said that Sheila died at around 7.20/30 because of the viscosity of her blood,  2 and a half/3 hours later while Jeremy was outside.

How do you explain the fact that the blood on Sheila's cheek which is from the second (fatal) wound is completely dry in Bird's photo 28 then?

[mike tesko]

I'll say it's sinister,Mike,,,because everyone made so much about the silencer being " pivotal " to the case,,,so as to direct and divert people away from what really happened. The jury were so " blinded with science " over the blessed silencer that I doubt many of them even understood anything about them.
Was that silencer planted.? Of course it was. Because it certainly wasn't in the cupboard on the many times that the police had looked,,then suddenly it appears. It stinks.

I tend to agree with your suggestion that everyone was so caught up in the silencer evidence and the blood evidence found within it, that they overlooked the importance of trying to establish the correct order that the photographs had been taken in, except for the police of course, which was why PC Bird created all these false photographic schedules, and why the existence of the SENIOR INVESTIGATING OFFICERS ALBUM containing no fewer than 581 photographs was deliberately concealed from everyone but the police who were involved in covering up what actually took place? I mean, you do not create a MASTER COPY ALBUM which you place 223 of the 581 photographs from the SENIOR INVESTIGATING OFFICERS ALBUM into, and call it the MASTER COPY ALBUM unless you are trying to convince everyone that all the photographs taken in connection with this / that investigation are contained within its covers,  you do not go to such lengths for nothing, and in by doing so, it allows the police to sweep 358 photographs under the carpet which no-one will ever get to see before it's too late. You do not go to those lengths for nothing. You do not get PC Bird to produce a schedule showing which of the 223 photographs in the so called MASTER COPY ALBUM were chosen to become the 50 COURT ALBUM photographs, if you are not trying to deceive everyone that matters in the due process of the trial, that the police only took 223 pictures, you do not go to such lengths for nothing, but if you do go to such lengths it is because you are covering something up which you do not want the general public to find out about. You do not cut up the negative strips which contain the negatives of the photographs which were taken in chronological order, so that you can feed false information about the sequence with which key photographs were taken, which show the rifle a top Sheila's body, to allow and enable you to falsely suggest that a key photograph of the rifle which shows it leaning up against the bedroom window (from the vantage point of the middle landing of the main stairs) was taken after photographs which show the same rifle on her body, when the opposite was / is true. You do not go to such lengths for nothing unless there is something very seriously wrong with the police case that is being brought against Jeremy Bamber. The fact of the matter is, whether anyone chooses to believe this or not is that Sheila was shot and killed when the loaded rifle from the bedroom window as shown in photo' 23, was moved onto Sheila's body, with the barrel of the rifle in the region of her chin, and the fingers of her right hand upon or around the trigger mechanism, which caused the fatal bullet (PV/19) to become discharged from the weapon, up under her chin, into her mouth and up through the roof of her mouth, and into her brain. This took place a long time after the police surgeon, Dr Craig had already pronounced Sheila as being dead at 8:44am, at a time when he said her body was on the far side of the bed, with what appeared to be a solitary wound to her neck. Dr Craig, was accompanied at this time by PI "Bob" Miller, who also repeated everything, word for word, what Dr Craig said including the fact that Sheila only had a solitary wound to her neck at the time she was pronounced as being dead. Well, she wasn't dead at that stage, although she did only have a solitary wound to her neck at that time. What we also have to bear in mind, is that when Julie Mugford went to the morgue to identify Sheila's body, she reported back to the relatives and everyone else that Sheila only had a solitary wound under her chin, so her body (Sheila's) must have been prepared or presented in such a way as to give the impression that she only had a solitary wound to her neck? Then on 14th August 1985, PI "Bob" Miller attended the opening of the inquest and told the Deputy coroner, Mr Thompkin, that police were satisfied that Sheila shot and killed the others, and that she had then gone on to take her own life by way of a solitary shot under the chin - so you can all make up your own minds about what took place, and who did what, where, and when...

One other thing which springs to mind, which I feel may be important was the fact that during a training exercise which took place at the scene whilst the bodies of the five victims were still laid out in situ, police officers got up to a few pranks and became disrespectful to the corpses, and the crime scene in general. it was whilst such pranks were being carried out, that Sheila got shot by use of the loaded rifle from the window (as shown in photo' 23). Furthermore, according to DI Cook, and the other SOCO's supposedly in charge of the crime scene from 10am, onwards, the only people present inside whf once the examination of it began from 10am, onwards was Cook, Hammersley, Bird and Davidson, yet some crime scene photographs show a presence of other officers (including DC "Mick" Clarke) at one time or another? Police have lied about who was there at the time they shot Sheila, and the fact that there was a training exercise which went tragically wrong, and had serious consequences for Essex police - this is what they have sought to cover up. Police officers playing pranks and fooling around at a crime scene where there had been multiple shootings...

[mike tesko]

Attention has been drawn to the fact that although it appears to show wet looking blood running and leaking and pouring from the two wounds, and the sides of Sheila's mouth (in one close up photograph), that in others, the same blood appears dried, half dried, and or coagulated?

This can easily be explained away, since what took place was that the police photographer used a tripod and focussed on the area on Sheila's throat at a time when the blood which was oozing from the wounds and her mouth, was still relatively wet looking. At this stage / time the photographer took a photograph. Then there was some sort of a delay whilst the blood spoken about had coagulated, which could have been taken as soon as 15 minutes or so had elapsed, and after which once the necessary time had elapsed the photographer simply zoomed back out and took another photograph from the exact same angle. This produced a photograph from that angle which showed the blood had coagulated, and had started to crack, or whatever...

The police therefore ended up with two images from the same angle, although one was a close up shot of the wet looking blood running, leaking and pouring from the wounds (etc...), whilst the other showed the same areas of blood, dried, and coagulated...

My understanding, is that when GDS represented Jeremy, that he sought expert opinion (In Italy) about how long it would take the blood to dry and start to coagulate once the heart had stopped beating, and the expert made a report, stating that there would be no oxygen in the blood, after 15 minutes or so, and at that stage the blood would start to go off, and dry, so to speak...

[lookout]

How do you explain the fact that the blood on Sheila's cheek which is from the second (fatal) wound is completely dry in Bird's photo 28 then?

Because it wasn't venous blood,Bridget. ( pumping )

[maggie]

Because it wasn't venous blood,Bridget. ( pumping )

Lookout, I would imagine that any blood from Sheila's second wound would really only run out of her mouth when her head was moved or was on one side. If she was lying flat on her back with her head straight onto the floor, her airway would be open, even if she was dead and the blood would pour down her throat rather than out of her mouth, that is until the heart stopped pumping.  Do you agree?

[susan]

Maggie  wonder what has happened to Margot she must have got a bug.