How police pulled off the greatest deception of all regarding photo's of bible..

[andrea]

Caroline, i was one of the longest standing members on this board, i wAs here long before you. So yes my answers are short because i have been there and done it already.

[Caroline R]

Okay, thank you.  I appreciate that. Now let's move on because.....I'm confused and I was actually enjoying reading this topic!

And I was enjoying debating it and then it fell to shit! I'm not here to play games but I also won't let anyone take the piss. I'm interested in both sides of the argument; I even started from your side. Like I said, debating is one thing but just saying 'because I know' (or words to that effect) is bollox! Enough said!

My name is Caroline, it's been my name for all my life - believe it or don't, I seriously don't care! I have treated everyone with respect (save maybe Steve_UK whose writing style annoys me - but he's growing on me!). I don't care if people don't agree with me but to just decend into hostility is sackless - however, I can do that too!

[Caroline R]

Caroline, i was one of the longest standing members on this board, i wAs here long before you. So yes my answers are short because i have been there and done it already.

And that's an excuse because? If you're bored with the board, then why bother? All it does it make you sound patronising. I may not have been on th board very long but I have been interested and studied the case for years. Some people seem to assume that new comers are green horns and that's NOT the case!

[petey]

And I was enjoying debating it and then it fell to shit! I'm not here to play games but I also won't let anyone take the piss. I'm interested in both sides of the argument; I even started from your side. Like I said, debating is one thing but just saying 'because I know' (or words to that effect) is bollox! Enough said!

My name is Caroline, it's been my name for all my life - believe it or don't, I seriously don't care! I have treated everyone with respect (save maybe Steve_UK whose writing style annoys me - but he's growing on me!). I don't care if people don't agree with me but to just decend into hostility is sackless - however, I can do that too!

This is not a criticism but if you lost the attitude then it might help people be more friendly and welcoming.

This forum is about JB and a potential miscarriage of justice. It is not about you and your feelings!

[Caroline R]

This is not a criticism but if you lost the attitude then it might help people be more friendly and welcoming.

This forum is about JB and a potential miscarriage of justice. It is not about you and your feelings!

Read back Pete and you'll see where the attitude came from. I don't generally have one but if when making a serious point someone just blanks you. You would get annoyed too and I've read posts in which you have reacted similarly!

[andrea]

And that's an excuse because? If you're bored with the board, then why bother? All it does it make you sound patronising. I may not have been on th board very long but I have been interested and studied the case for years. Some people seem to assume that new comers are green horns and that's NOT the case!

I bother because i can, i also like some of the members here.

[Caroline R]

I bother because i can, i also like some of the members here.

Then expect to be questioned on it and don't get upset when you are!

[petey]

Read back Pete and you'll see where the attitude came from. I don't generally have one but if when making a serious point someone just blanks you. You would get annoyed too and I've read posts in which you have reacted similarly!

Why on earth are u now trying to argue with me?!

I have never reacted with attitude. Incredulity yes, disgust at some peoples Hillsborough posts yes, embarassment at some peoples lack of understanding yes.  But attitude like you are displaying, never.

[andrea]

I didnt get upset, i never get upset. I have nothing to prove on here, the burden is on you to prove us antis wrong, so far i dont think the pros have.

[andrea]

Reet im off to sleep. Night all

[mike tesko]

Do you see what I mean about the blood stains soaking through pages rather than mirror printing by opening/closed?

The more I look at it, the more convinced I am that this is how they were caused.

Which means that somebody picked it up after it had got blood on the other page and placed the bible as it was photographed on or against Sheila's body, at some time after photo' 23 was taken by PC Bird from the vantage point of the middle landing of the main stairs, as part of the stage managing process put into action by the police....

[jon]

The kitchen phone was off the hook, thereby disabling all other phones in the house. Fact.

If it is a fact , why did EP not notice at the time ?

[mike tesko]

If it is a fact , why did EP not notice at the time ?

I am not convinced that the kitchen phone as photographed by PC Bird (after its use by DCI Harris) was necessarily the telephone used by Ralph Bamber to make his call to Jeremy or the call to the police? There is something very dodgy about the round finger dial telephone that ended up in the kitchen - I am more inclined to believe that the telephone that was situated in the upstairs office was the one which Ralph Bamber used (which had a last 10 number dialled facility). I know from speaking with Jeremy over the years, that Ralph was known to sometimes fall to sleep at his desk in the upstairs office, or sometimes he would fall to sleep downstairs on one of the chairs in the lounge / sitting room. It is very interesting that the police did not disclose any photographs that they took of certain rooms at whf, including the upstairs office and the state of the phone there, or the sitting room where the tampax holder was found, or the downstairs toilet where the other .22 rifle and its Parker hale silencer was normally kept...

[susan]

Morning Jon  I had a big dicussion on the phone being off the hook disabling all other phones in the house as I thought this was the case according to Reader who is very well up on these matters this is not correct.  I have 4 phones in my house and I took the phone off the hook at the main socket where the BT line enters the house but I still could use any one of the other three phones quite successfully.  So I always thought that to be the case but I was wrong and Bridget again was right about the phones as she was of the same opinion before Reader got involved.

[jon]

Morning Jon  I had a big dicussion on the phone being off the hook disabling all other phones in the house as I thought this was the case according to Reader who is very well up on these matters this is not correct.  I have 4 phones in my house and I took the phone off the hook at the main socket where the BT line enters the house but I still could use any one of the other three phones quite successfully.  So I always thought that to be the case but I was wrong and Bridget again was right about the phones as she was of the same opinion before Reader got involved.

Morning Susan , the only people to know for sure about the phones would have been EP , then do you think they would fall for JB leaving a telephone of the hook to fool them ? Not one policeman stated this on day one , why not ?