Z and Enigma

[packagebuilder]

There an index of the COLP 1991 report listing everything!!

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,1900.15.html

most people have seen this! I just grab afew here

but I see two differnet lots of photos of Sheila?

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          Sub index

5              BK                   Photograph of footprint*

7              E                     photo's of Sheila at the Scene*

23            E                        video tape of the scene*

37          AB                     SOCO photo of Sheila Caffell*

32             N                      12 loose photo of the scene*?

Yes as I am aware there is a video of the crime scene and one photo of sheila looks of a still from a video with lots of blood!!

why is there two set of sheila photos?

What could be differnet from SOCO, and photo of sheila....

? 12 crime scene photo? are they beening kept back....

[grahameb]

There an index of the COLP 1991 report listing everything!!

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,1900.15.html

most people have seen this! I just grab afew here

but I see two differnet lots of photos of Sheila?

Box       

          Sub index

5              BK                   Photograph of footprint*

7              E                     photo's of Sheila at the Scene*

23            E                        video tape of the scene*

37          AB                     SOCO photo of Sheila Caffell*

32             N                      12 loose photo of the scene*?

Yes as I am aware there is a video of the crime scene and one photo of sheila looks of a still from a video with lots of blood!!

why is there two set of sheila photos?

What could be differnet from SOCO, and photo of sheila....

? 12 crime scene photo? are they beening kept back....

We we have yet to see the video tape of the scene.

[packagebuilder]

the location of the video tape is unknown?

at CCRC, essex HQ, in a dusty old back room in the police stations in essex, a reporter at the scene?, BBC, under Ron Cooks bed in a "biscuit tin"?

Could these 12 photo be the ones that been supressed?

are we keep getting sheila photos by SOCO?

but the "photos of Sheila at scene"* before SOCO are there? raid team, and tom,dick,harry reporter with a "polaroid" instant photo camera? oh in one photo you see this camera... and the "carpet grippers" along the skirting boads in the main bedroom? proves carpets were ripped up and burned in the yard on the bonfire.....

[jaymo132]

In fact most here will not believe who watches this forum. But I can tell you it connects with the very top.

M i 5 ,special branch etc ..........hmmmm

[grahameb]

M i 5 ,special branch etc ..........hmmmm

Nope.

[mike tesko]

At yesterdays meeting with "Z", I discussed with him in  detail what the police got up to by falsifying the photographic evidence to help cover up for the fact that police did shoot Sheila, and put it down to her shooting herself twice, by a reliance on recoil - where the rifle discharged a second shot twice in quick succession? "Z" was eager to point out to me that the same rifle could hardly have fired both shots with it being resting against the bedroom window, when Sheila's body was elsewhere in the bedroom? He is adamant that photograph 23 is key to unlocking the lies which Essex police have been telling regarding the sequence with which photographs of Sheila were taken at the scene - he says photographs, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31 and 32 were definitely (100%) taken after 23, not beforehand. He also insists that earlier photographs taken of Sheila in the bedroom show her body on the bed, with only a solitary wound to her throat - these photographs have been removed and supposedly destroyed along with the corresponding photographic negatives (understood to have been 7/8 consecutively taken pictures), but as "Z" says, copies of the said photographs were retained by some members of the raid team (for insurance purposes), who were not happy with being told to report the discovery of Sheila's body on the bedroom floor with the rifle atop it, when this / that was not how they had found her body. He says that police originally found Sheila downstairs, at which time the rifle which was spotted by WPC Julia Jeapes was resting against the upstairs bedroom window, where it remained until PC Bird took photograph 23 showing it there...

[-Harters-]

Well whoever Z is, he's not American, otherwise he'd be called Zee. 

[mike tesko]

At yesterdays meeting with "Z", I discussed with him in  detail what the police got up to by falsifying the photographic evidence to help cover up for the fact that police did shoot Sheila, and put it down to her shooting herself twice, by a reliance on recoil - where the rifle discharged a second shot twice in quick succession? "Z" was eager to point out to me that the same rifle could hardly have fired both shots with it being resting against the bedroom window, when Sheila's body was elsewhere in the bedroom? He is adamant that photograph 23 is key to unlocking the lies which Essex police have been telling regarding the sequence with which photographs of Sheila were taken at the scene - he says photographs, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31 and 32 were definitely (100%) taken after 23, not beforehand. He also insists that earlier photographs taken of Sheila in the bedroom show her body on the bed, with only a solitary wound to her throat - these photographs have been removed and supposedly destroyed along with the corresponding photographic negatives (understood to have been 7/8 consecutively taken pictures), but as "Z" says, copies of the said photographs were retained by some members of the raid team (for insurance purposes), who were not happy with being told to report the discovery of Sheila's body on the bedroom floor with the rifle atop it, when this / that was not how they had found her body. He says that police originally found Sheila downstairs, at which time the rifle which was spotted by WPC Julia Jeapes was resting against the upstairs bedroom window, where it remained until PC Bird took photograph 23 showing it there...

According to what "Z" told me yesterday, once WPC Jeapes spotted the rifle at the bedroom window, (15 minutes or so before the raid team began to commence their approach to enter the farmhouse), Jeapes and other officers kept the rifle at the bedroom window in their sights at all times until police inside the premises completed their search up to and inclusive of the message being passed at 8:10am, where it was reported (Radio log contents) that a further three bodies had been found upstairs by that stage?

[mike tesko]

According to what "Z" told me yesterday, once WPC Jeapes spotted the rifle at the bedroom window, (15 minutes or so before the raid team began to commence their approach to enter the farmhouse), Jeapes and other officers kept the rifle at the bedroom window in their sights at all times until police inside the premises completed their search up to and inclusive of the message being passed at 8:10am, where it was reported (Radio log contents) that a further three bodies had been found upstairs by that stage?

Anyone who thinks that WPC Jeapes simply spotted the rifle at the bedroom window before the raid team set off to go into the premises and that from that point onwards it was forgotten about, should think again, because it was important to keep sight of that rifle which appeared at the bedroom window some 15 minutes or so before the raid team set off to get into the premises, it had not been there beforehand, so obviously someone (Sheila) had placed it there...

[mike tesko]

Anyone who thinks that WPC Jeapes simply spotted the rifle at the bedroom window before the raid team set off to go into the premises and that from that point onwards it was forgotten about, should think again, because it was important to keep sight of that rifle which appeared at the bedroom window some 15 minutes or so before the raid team set off to get into the premises, it had not been there beforehand, so obviously someone (Sheila) had placed it there...

"Z" also asked me to point out to forum members and visitors that WPC Julia Jeapes was a trained firearms instructor, and she reported seeing what appeared to be a rifle that was leaning up  against the bedroom window, not a shotgun? He points out that there were only three rifles found at the scene (whf) that morning (1) the Bamber owned Anshulz .22 semi-automatic rifle, (2) Anthony Pargeters .22 Bruno bolt action rifle, and (3) the .22 air rifle. According to the police (1) was found on Sheila's body (although it was resting against the bedroom window). Well, Pargeter claims his rifle was not at the scene on the night, evening, morning of the shootings, since he had taken his rifle home with him to Bourne-end in Buckinghamshire. Rifle (2) was found on the small spiral stairway that led up from the kitchen  to the upstairs landing, and so there could not be a second rifle leaning up against the bedroom window, and be on Sheila's body at one and the same time...

[tonyb]

Be careful  of Sheila on the bed with only one wound on her neck? Stop twisting the truth about the photo I have access to. The other thing- the informant "Z" does exist, and he was at the scene when police shot Sheila, but you are free to speculate about what he witnessed and what he has told me, and what he knows about the actual circumstances of how Sheila died in the bedroom long after the police surgeon, Dr Craig, pronounced her as being dead (8:44am). The other thing, Sheila was almost certainly still very much alive when Jeremy complained to a police officer at the scene that police who went into premises had shot dead his family. Jeremy left the scene believing that all his family inside whf were dead because police had told him so, but in Sheila's case this was not true or entirely accurate, she died later, and this is what the police cover up was / is all about...

I'd just like to clarify, mike has stated he doesn't have the original,hard copy or copy on any media source of tis photo.

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[lookout]

But he knows a man who does.!

[packagebuilder]

At yesterdays meeting with "Z", I discussed with him in  detail what the police got up to by falsifying the photographic evidence to help cover up for the fact that police did shoot Sheila, and put it down to her shooting herself twice, by a reliance on recoil - where the rifle discharged a second shot twice in quick succession? "Z" was eager to point out to me that the same rifle could hardly have fired both shots with it being resting against the bedroom window, when Sheila's body was elsewhere in the bedroom? He is adamant that photograph 23 is key to unlocking the lies which Essex police have been telling regarding the sequence with which photographs of Sheila were taken at the scene - he says photographs, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31 and 32 were definitely (100%) taken after 23, not beforehand. He also insists that earlier photographs taken of Sheila in the bedroom show her body on the bed, with only a solitary wound to her throat - these photographs have been removed and supposedly destroyed along with the corresponding photographic negatives (understood to have been 7/8 consecutively taken pictures), but as "Z" says, copies of the said photographs were retained by some members of the raid team (for insurance purposes), who were not happy with being told to report the discovery of Sheila's body on the bedroom floor with the rifle atop it, when this / that was not how they had found her body. He says that police originally found Sheila downstairs, at which time the rifle which was spotted by WPC Julia Jeapes was resting against the upstairs bedroom window, where it remained until PC Bird took photograph 23 showing it there...

hummm so the raid team and first lot of FU officers are covering-up, then poor DIs Ron Cook and other other DI have such case left in their laps? of course Ron and other DI had to play along with it or they be in the spotlight and be blamed for the poor handling of the case!! 

Most Raid team officers don't live in the uk now? 

I wonder if photo are beening hidden under index number? who can have access to such photos?

if the photos of Sheila on the bed are cut out and handed out to officers? then we must find another way? like footprinter or call logs but I wonder if footprints are under PII or under a file in the CCRC?

[maggie]

Most Raid team officers don't live in the uk now? 

Is this true?

[mertol22]

Is this true?

smells like a golden relocation to me with san miguel case of beer a day.