Z and Enigma

[vidvic]

Are there actually any members, from either side of the fence, that believe 'Z' exists or that Mike has mislaid a photo of Sheila, on the bed with one wound, on a computer system, which would almost certainly lead to an immediate appeal?

[andrea]

I dont believe so, no.

[petey]

Are there actually any members, from either side of the fence, that believe 'Z' exists or that Mike has mislaid a photo of Sheila, on the bed with one wound, on a computer system, which would almost certainly lead to an immediate appeal?

Please forgive my apparent naivety but I am still willing to believe that Z does exist in some form. Although obviously I am as frustrated as anybody that since he was first raised many months ago, very little progress, if any, appears to have been made.

While I say that I am still willing to believe Z does exist, the longer it continues with no postive progress in relation to 'Z', the more sceptical I become!

[andrea]

What about the photograph, Petey?

[petey]

Are there actually any members, from either side of the fence, that believe 'Z' exists or that Mike has mislaid a photo of Sheila, on the bed with one wound, on a computer system, which would almost certainly lead to an immediate appeal?

In relation to such photo, I am still open minded.

However, I would say though, that with the advent of modern technology making it possible to alter photos in so many ways, yet still pass them of as genuine, authentic photographs, this leaves a significant problem.

Any photographs which did arise would automatically be deemed fakes that have been altered / photoshopped / edited etc.   Therefore if any such photo did arise, then I think it still leaves a long long way to go before an appeal is granted. This would not be automatic.

[vidvic]

Can you think of any reason why Mike, McKay, NGB or even Bamber himself would not be begging Mike to rip his hard drive, or why Mike isn't trying to find and release this photo to the defence?

[petey]

Can you think of any reason why Mike, McKay, NGB or even Bamber himself would not be begging Mike to rip his hard drive, or why Mike isn't trying to find and release this photo to the defence?

I must admit, my honest answer to that is no

[andrea]

Maybe becuase, Mckay etc dont believe such a picture exists?

[vidvic]

Here's another one…why would you get a secret informant, an informant so scared of detection that mike and Z remove their phone batteries and are suspicious of over flying helicopters, to risk taking said photo into CCRC headquarters, rather than just finding it yourself?

[petey]

I guess my feelings regarding Z and the photos come from the fact that when I joined this forum I about 70% believed JB to be innocent. Therefore I joined this forum looking to find evidence to convince me of his innocence.

Z and the apparent photos are both what appear to sound very compelling evidence which point towards JBs innocence.

I have never met Mike and know nothing about him or his personal life. However, If I 100% believed that he was talking bullshit with regards Z and the photos then I would leave the forum.

Until I see some other evidence that directs me another way, I will cling to the fact that Mike is being honest and such evidence does exist.

This may be a naive approach to take and I admit that i am very disappointed that in the year that I have been on this forum, despite numerous claims, mainly from Mike, I have SEEN no evidence that furthers my belief in JBs innocence, such that I now approximately 60% think him innocent.

If im honest, at present I wait in hope, rather than expectation.

[petey]

Maybe becuase, Mckay etc dont believe such a picture exists?

As I said above, I dont know the answer.

I think its a bit of a bit cheap shot to say that Simon McKay doesn't believe that such picture exists, as none of us have a clue what he's thinking, what approach he is taking and what emphasis he places on various pieces of evidence at his disposal.

[vidvic]

I guess my feelings regarding Z and the photos come from the fact that when I joined this forum I about 70% believed JB to be innocent. Therefore I joined this forum looking to find evidence to convince me of his innocence.

Z and the apparent photos are both what appear to sound very compelling evidence which point towards JBs innocence.

I have never met Mike and know nothing about him or his personal life. However, If I 100% believed that he was talking bullshit with regards Z and the photos then I would leave the forum.

Until I see some other evidence that directs me another way, I will cling to the fact that Mike is being honest and such evidence does exist.

This may be a naive approach to take and I admit that i am very disappointed that in the year that I have been on this forum, despite numerous claims, mainly from Mike, I have SEEN no evidence that furthers my belief in JBs innocence, such that I now approximately 60% think him innocent.

If im honest, at present I wait in hope, rather than expectation.

So, would it be reasonable for me to argue that rather than encouraging you to support JB, that actually this forum has dissuaded you from supporting him?

[petey]

Here's another one…why would you get a secret informant, an informant so scared of detection that mike and Z remove their phone batteries and are suspicious of over flying helicopters, to risk taking said photo into CCRC headquarters, rather than just finding it yourself?

That's standard practice when I meet any of my clients, after a full body search and use of sniffer dogs!

[petey]

So, would it be reasonable for me to argue that rather than encouraging you to support JB, that actually this forum has dissuaded you from supporting him?

It would be a fair comment to say that yes my belief in JBs innocence is not as strong as when I first joined the forum a year ago.

However, I would add the caveat that I simply do not have the time to read through the thousands and thousands of documents available through this forum and elsewhere, so although I come from a legal background I am nowhere near as qualifed to speak on this case as a number of other posters and dont have the detailed knowledge that some possess.

BUT I do still think JB is probably innocent.

[vidvic]

It would be a fair comment to say that yes my belief in JBs innocence is not as strong as when I first joined the forum a year ago.

However, I would add the caveat that I simply do not have the time to read through the thousands and thousands of documents available through this forum and elsewhere, so although I come from a legal background I am nowhere near as qualifed to speak on this case as a number of other posters and dont have the detailed knowledge that some possess.

BUT I do still think JB is probably innocent.

Masterful fence sitting....(joke)

I appreciate your honesty.